[IGDA_indies] Re: State of the Indie

Wed May 17 10:08:14 EDT 2006

nope....

At 12:13 AM 5/17/2006, you wrote:
>Nope... gmail ... just a fluke I guess.
>
>Is it still doing it for you?
>
>Michael
>
>On 5/16/06, Thomas H. Buscaglia <thb at gameattorney.com> wrote:
>>
>>  you using pine? ;-)
>>
>>
>>  At 11:33 PM 5/16/2006, you wrote:
>>
>>Not sure why it did that. Didn't do it in my outbox.
>>
>>  Michael
>>
>>  On 5/16/06, Thomas H. Buscaglia <thb at gameattorney.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>   Sorry Rachet...I meant the unreadable format...not the content.  What's up
>>  wit dat?
>>
>>   Tom B
>>
>>
>>
>>   At 09:11 PM 5/16/2006, you wrote:
>>
>>  Um... Chris mentioned needing a database and surveys - maybe I misread
>>   something... :p
>>
>>   Michael
>>
>>   On 5/16/06, Thomas H. Buscaglia <thb at gameattorney.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>    What is this supposed to be?
>>
>>    At 05:17 PM 5/16/2006, you wrote:
>>
>>   Re: database - Surveymonkey.com is your friend. It saves all your stuff
>>and
>>   I think its pretty cheap to get the advanced features. Lets schedule a
>>   meeting to discuss this stuff. I'd like to pass it thru the local SIG as
>>   well, but we already have an agenda for our local meeting tomorrow. So
>>  maybe
>>   next meeting (June 5th) for that. Anyway when is a good time to chat?
>>   Michael On 5/16/06, Raymond Chandler <animegalore1985 at yahoo.com> wrote: >
>>I
>>   personally like the mean/median idea. It allows us to allow for a >
>>   comprimise on the deffinition of the term and can also help spur some >
>>   support on the matter. I think winging it would be a bit of a mistake If
>>we
>>   > are wanting to take a more formal approach to the matter. I would like
>>to
>>   > see this sort of thing be a reccuring report on behalf of the SIG to
>>show
>>   > where we are going and where we want to be. The "What's Next" of indie.
>> >
>>   > > "Christopher S. Charabaruk" <chrisc at meldstar.com> wrote: > >  This is
>>   why I keep bringing up our definition of an indie every business >
>>meeting,
>>   too. Our term could be too strict (a five person garage team who > got a
>>   deal to have their game on Steam could be ruled out) while > traditional
>>   thinking is generally too broad (Valve does more than > self-publish). > >
>>   While it'd probably make things even more complicated, though, it might be
>>  >
>>   interesting to take all this into account, by asking developers if they >
>>   believe they are independent (yes/no question) followed by their own >
>>   definition of indie or their reasoning for their decision (a nice essay >
>>   question, just like killed me in communications classes). Then, at the >
>>   report stage, we use all that information to determine a mean or median >
>>   definition, based on what everyone said. > > Or, for the sake of my
>>sanity,
>>   whose grasp is tenuous as it is, that can > wait for next year's report. >
>>  >
>>   Certainly, we need to rework the definition prior to conducting the
>>surveys
>>   > and writing the report. But how do we change the definition to let in
>>the
>>   > former example while denying the latter? > > Personally, I think that
>>the
>>   word 'formal' has much to do with the > uncertainty around what is indie
>>or
>>   not. Someone (probably myself) could > write an entire essay for the SIG
>>   site just on the definition alone to try > and clarify matters, but
>>chances
>>   are it'd only make things muddier. > > I think this time around, we might
>>   just be able to get away winging it, with > a few happy little disclaimers
>>   before anyone's allowed to take the surveys. > I'd like to hear your
>>   thoughts on improving the definition we use, though. > > -- > Christopher
>>  S.
>>   'coldacid' Charabaruk > Meldstar Entertainment -- Creationï¿½ > > > > At
>>  Tue
>>   16 May 2006 02:46:17 PM EDT, "Thomas H. Buscaglia" >  said: > > > This
>>   sounds like a great idea. I hope you have the time and > > resources to
>>put
>>   into it because it looks to be a real time hog, > > especially the
>>surveys.
>>   But they would be a great contribution. > > > > I think on thing you need
>>  to
>>   do is establish a clear delineation of > > what an indie is for purposes
>>of
>>   the white paper. Although I do not > > think you consider id and Valve to
>>  be
>>   within the ambit of this work, > > they are for sure independent studios.
>>  So
>>   some thought will need to > > go into your target audience in the process.
>>   You may want to > > consider the casual games mail list as a possible
>>  source
>>   for > > additional independents. > > > > Good luck and let me know if you
>>   need any help. > > > > Tom B > > > > At 01:43 PM 5/16/2006, you wrote: >
>> >>
>>   This is something I wanted to bring up in meeting a while ago, but we >
>>   never > >> got to it. State of the Indie would be a yearly report arranged
>>   by the > SIG > >> showing the ups, downs, and sideways of the indie
>>   "industry". To help > with > >> writing the report, there would be a
>>couple
>>   surveys as well -- one big > >> survey for gathering gross statistics, and
>>   some stages of interviews with > >> selected (or lotteried) participants
>>of
>>   the big survey for finer details. > >> > >> I'm already claiming this as
>>my
>>   baby, but it'd be great for others (even > >> those not officially helping
>>   manage the SIG) to join this project so that > >> I'm not a committee of
>>   one. > >> > >> Any support? > >> > >> -- > >> Christopher S. 'coldacid'
>>   Charabaruk > >> Meldstar Entertainment -- CreationÂ³ > > >> > >> > >> > >>
>>  >
>>   >> _______________________________________________ > >>
>>   indies mailing list > >> indies at igda.org > >>
>>    http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/indies > > > >
>> >
>>   >
>>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½`ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½,ï¿½ï¿½,ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½`ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½`ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½,ï¿½ï¿½,ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½`ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½
>>   > > > Thomas H. Buscaglia, Esquire > > The Game Attorney > > T. H.
>>  Buscaglia
>>   and Associates > > 80 Southwest 8th Street > > Suite 2100 - Brickell
>>  Bayview
>>   Center > > Miami, FL 33130 > > Tel (305) 324-6000 > > Fax (305) 324-1111 >
>>  >
>>   Toll Free 888-848-GLAW > > http://www.gameattorney.com > >
>>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½`ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½,ï¿½ï¿½,ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½`ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½`ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½,ï¿½ï¿½,ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½`ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½
>>   > > > > > > > Confidential: This email contains communications protected
>>by
>>   the > > attorney-client privilege. If you do not expect such a
>>  communication
>>   > > from Thomas H. Buscaglia, please delete this message without reading >
>>  >
>>   it or any attachment, and then notify Mr. Buscaglia at > > thb at intelaw.com
>>   of this inadvertent misdelivery. > > > > > >
>>   _______________________________________________ > indies
>>   mailing list > indies at igda.org >
>>    http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/indies > > > >
>>   Thank you, > Raymond Chandler III > Independant Game Developer >
>>    www.avengersoft.com > IGDA Indie-SIG Co-Coordinater/Webmaster >
>>    www.igda.org/indie >
>>   _______________________________________________ > indies
>>   mailing list > indies at igda.org >
>>    http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/indies > > >
>>   </x-flowed>
>>
>>    _______________________________________________
>>    indies mailing list
>>    indies at igda.org
>>     http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/indies
>>
>>
>>
>>   ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤
>>
>>   Thomas H. Buscaglia, Esquire
>>    The Game Attorney
>>    T. H. Buscaglia and Associates
>>    80 Southwest 8th Street
>>    Suite 2100 - Brickell Bayview Center
>>    Miami, FL  33130
>>    Tel (305) 324-6000
>>    Fax (305) 324-1111
>>    Toll Free 888-848-GLAW
>>
>>     http://www.gameattorney.com
>>
>>    ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤
>>
>>
>>   Confidential:  This email contains communications protected by the
>>   attorney-client privilege.  If you do not expect such a communication from
>>   Thomas H. Buscaglia, please delete this message without reading it or any
>>   attachment, and then notify Mr. Buscaglia at thb at intelaw.com of this
>>   inadvertent misdelivery.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   _______________________________________________
>>   indies mailing list
>>   indies at igda.org
>>    http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/indies
>>
>>
>>   _______________________________________________
>>   indies mailing list
>>   indies at igda.org
>>    http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/indies
>>
>>
>>
>>   ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤
>>   Thomas H. Buscaglia, Esquire
>>   The Game Attorney
>>   T. H. Buscaglia and Associates
>>   80 Southwest 8th Street
>>   Suite 2100 - Brickell Bayview Center
>>   Miami, FL  33130
>>   Tel (305) 324-6000
>>   Fax (305) 324-1111
>>   Toll Free 888-848-GLAW
>>    http://www.gameattorney.com
>>   ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤
>>
>>   Confidential:  This email contains communications protected by the
>>  attorney-client privilege.  If you do not expect such a communication from
>>  Thomas H. Buscaglia, please delete this message without reading it or any
>>  attachment, and then notify Mr. Buscaglia at thb at intelaw.com of this
>>  inadvertent misdelivery.
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  indies mailing list
>>  indies at igda.org
>>  http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/indies
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  indies mailing list
>>  indies at igda.org
>>  http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/indies
>>
>>
>>
>>  ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤
>>  Thomas H. Buscaglia, Esquire
>>  The Game Attorney
>>  T. H. Buscaglia and Associates
>>  80 Southwest 8th Street
>>  Suite 2100 - Brickell Bayview Center
>>  Miami, FL  33130
>>  Tel (305) 324-6000
>>  Fax (305) 324-1111
>>  Toll Free 888-848-GLAW
>>  http://www.gameattorney.com
>>  ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤
>>
>>  Confidential:  This email contains communications protected by the
>>attorney-client privilege.  If you do not expect such a communication from
>>Thomas H. Buscaglia, please delete this message without reading it or any
>>attachment, and then notify Mr. Buscaglia at thb at intelaw.com of this
>>inadvertent misdelivery.
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>indies mailing list
>>indies at igda.org
>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/indies
>>
>>
>_______________________________________________
>indies mailing list
>indies at igda.org
>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/indies

¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤
Thomas H. Buscaglia, Esquire
The Game Attorney
T. H. Buscaglia and Associates
80 Southwest 8th Street
Suite 2100 - Brickell Bayview Center
Miami, FL  33130
Tel (305) 324-6000
Fax (305) 324-1111
Toll Free 888-848-GLAW
http://www.gameattorney.com
¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤

Confidential:  This email contains communications 
protected by the attorney-client privilege.  If 
you do not expect such a communication from 
Thomas H. Buscaglia, please delete this message 
without reading it or any attachment, and then 
notify Mr. Buscaglia at thb at intelaw.com of this inadvertent misdelivery.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/indies/attachments/20060517/d5ceb53a/attachment.htm