[IGDA_indies] Re: State of the Indie

Tue May 16 23:26:25 EDT 2006

Sorry Rachet...I meant the unreadable 
format...not the content.  What's up wit dat?

Tom B

At 09:11 PM 5/16/2006, you wrote:
>Um... Chris mentioned needing a database and surveys - maybe I misread
>something... :p
>
>Michael
>
>On 5/16/06, Thomas H. Buscaglia <thb at gameattorney.com> wrote:
>>
>>  What is this supposed to be?
>>
>>  At 05:17 PM 5/16/2006, you wrote:
>>
>>Re: database - Surveymonkey.com is your friend. It saves all your stuff and
>>I think its pretty cheap to get the advanced features. Lets schedule a
>>meeting to discuss this stuff. I'd like to pass it thru the local SIG as
>>well, but we already have an agenda for our local meeting tomorrow. So maybe
>>next meeting (June 5th) for that. Anyway when is a good time to chat?
>>Michael On 5/16/06, Raymond Chandler <animegalore1985 at yahoo.com> wrote: > I
>>personally like the mean/median idea. It allows us to allow for a >
>>comprimise on the deffinition of the term and can also help spur some >
>>support on the matter. I think winging it would be a bit of a mistake If we
>> > are wanting to take a more formal approach to the matter. I would like to
>> > see this sort of thing be a reccuring report on behalf of the SIG to show
>> > where we are going and where we want to be. The "What's Next" of indie. >
>> > > "Christopher S. Charabaruk" <chrisc at meldstar.com> wrote: > >  This is
>>why I keep bringing up our definition of an indie every business > meeting,
>>too. Our term could be too strict (a five person garage team who > got a
>>deal to have their game on Steam could be ruled out) while > traditional
>>thinking is generally too broad (Valve does more than > self-publish). > >
>>While it'd probably make things even more complicated, though, it might be >
>>interesting to take all this into account, by asking developers if they >
>>believe they are independent (yes/no question) followed by their own >
>>definition of indie or their reasoning for their decision (a nice essay >
>>question, just like killed me in communications classes). Then, at the >
>>report stage, we use all that information to determine a mean or median >
>>definition, based on what everyone said. > > Or, for the sake of my sanity,
>>whose grasp is tenuous as it is, that can > wait for next year's report. > >
>>Certainly, we need to rework the definition prior to conducting the surveys
>> > and writing the report. But how do we change the definition to let in the
>> > former example while denying the latter? > > Personally, I think that the
>>word 'formal' has much to do with the > uncertainty around what is indie or
>>not. Someone (probably myself) could > write an entire essay for the SIG
>>site just on the definition alone to try > and clarify matters, but chances
>>are it'd only make things muddier. > > I think this time around, we might
>>just be able to get away winging it, with > a few happy little disclaimers
>>before anyone's allowed to take the surveys. > I'd like to hear your
>>thoughts on improving the definition we use, though. > > -- > Christopher S.
>>'coldacid' Charabaruk > Meldstar Entertainment -- Creationï¿½ > > > > At Tue
>>16 May 2006 02:46:17 PM EDT, "Thomas H. Buscaglia" >  said: > > > This
>>sounds like a great idea. I hope you have the time and > > resources to put
>>into it because it looks to be a real time hog, > > especially the surveys.
>>But they would be a great contribution. > > > > I think on thing you need to
>>do is establish a clear delineation of > > what an indie is for purposes of
>>the white paper. Although I do not > > think you consider id and Valve to be
>>within the ambit of this work, > > they are for sure independent studios. So
>>some thought will need to > > go into your target audience in the process.
>>You may want to > > consider the casual games mail list as a possible source
>>for > > additional independents. > > > > Good luck and let me know if you
>>need any help. > > > > Tom B > > > > At 01:43 PM 5/16/2006, you wrote: > >>
>>This is something I wanted to bring up in meeting a while ago, but we >
>>never > >> got to it. State of the Indie would be a yearly report arranged
>>by the > SIG > >> showing the ups, downs, and sideways of the indie
>>"industry". To help > with > >> writing the report, there would be a couple
>>surveys as well -- one big > >> survey for gathering gross statistics, and
>>some stages of interviews with > >> selected (or lotteried) participants of
>>the big survey for finer details. > >> > >> I'm already claiming this as my
>>baby, but it'd be great for others (even > >> those not officially helping
>>manage the SIG) to join this project so that > >> I'm not a committee of
>>one. > >> > >> Any support? > >> > >> -- > >> Christopher S. 'coldacid'
>>Charabaruk > >> Meldstar Entertainment -- CreationÂ³ > > >> > >> > >> > >> >
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