[kj] 30 years of NIGHT TIME

[Nick Scott]

They even had the audacity to not only neuter but also to recycle a Geordie
riff from afore, 'Obsession' is lifted directly from the b side 'Ecstasy'
from BTATS era.

On 9 March 2015 at 21:08, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Paul I think you have finally summed up beautifully what is so bad about
> OTG -
> "an album that not even Geordie could save". Never thought about it in
> that way, but
> Jaz's megalomania was so out of control at this point that he managed to
> neuter
> the one single thing that could have made it sound great.
>
> On 9 March 2015 at 20:53, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It's funny how Jaz's influence rose unchecked from Fire Dances
>> onwards. You could pretty much plot a straight line graph from that
>> album - mostly Geordie with fine contributions from the others,
>> through Night Time - all elements functioning well and evenly, up to
>> BTATS - mostly Jaz with Geordie adding complementary riffs but still
>> works... and then OTG - which not even Geordie could save!
>>
>> On 3/9/15, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
>> > Also I would argue that BOF is getting more comfortable. Like Jim
>> infers,
>> > his drums are pushing more on MMXII. A bit tentative in places in AD.
>> You
>> > can tell that was more written in the studio in places and committed to
>> tape
>> > a bit early.
>> > You can always embellish bits but it's really hard to do that with
>> drums.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 9 Mar 2015, at 10:27, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The question of what each member brings is a complex one. It's
>> tempting to
>> >> ascribe the metal/industrial influences of post-OTG as Raven's doing,
>> >> since he was also heavily active in the industrial and metal scenes.
>> >> However, Pandemonium and Absolute Dissent also showcase the
>> chugga-chugga.
>> >> I don't think that's Youth's doing. Youth brought the trance and techno
>> >> elements to the band obviously, but chugga-chugga really isn't his
>> style.
>> >>
>> >> No, I think there's only one person we can look to for the chugga:
>> >> Geordie. Obviously it's what gives him the most musical satisfaction at
>> >> the moment.
>> >>
>> >> Youth's return has brought new production approaches, most importantly.
>> >> He's broadening the band's sound, which I feel is very much a good
>> thing.
>> >> Big Paul fits into the sound perfectly, and maybe he's bringing new
>> >> artistic considerations too. I liked AD, but it felt like a tentative
>> >> effort, a way to see if 'it' could still happen. MMXII sounded much
>> more
>> >> like a band, and I'm hoping the next one continues that progression.
>> >>
>> >> Ramble, ramble.
>> >>
>> >> Jim.
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------
>> >> On Mon, 9/3/15, Nick Scott <npscott at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: [kj] 30 years of NIGHT TIME
>> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> >> <gathering at misera.net>
>> >> Date: Monday, 9 March, 2015, 11:01
>> >>
>> >> Is it a
>> >> more refined sound now that the 'missing pieces' are
>> >> back though Jamie?
>> >> The only
>> >> missing member from the equation was Big Paul.  They went
>> >> through the whole 'chugga-shout' sound throughout
>> >> both Youth as well as Raven as bassist.
>> >> The refined sound that was developed
>> >> in the early to mid 80s was during Ravens tenure during and
>> >> after Fire Dances.  The metal sound was during both Raven
>> >> and Youth's tenure...so is it Big Paul that also has
>> >> dabbled in metal (albeit with other bands) that is
>> >> attempting to refine the output again?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 9 March 2015 at 09:40,
>> >> fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> On 7 Mar 2015, at 13:19,
>> >> jpwhkj--- via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ....
>> >> from Extremities onwards, that magical combination seems to
>> >> have faded away.  Not entirely - there's been the
>> >> occasional track since - but there's been too much
>> >> growling from Jaz, too much chugging from Geordie, not
>> >> enough of the funky dance ethic, not enough of the guitar
>> >> that sounds like "a thousand orchestras playing at
>> >> once", ..
>> >> Bang on Jamie.They
>> >> got stuck in a metal route of
>> >> "chugga-chugga-SHOOOOOOOUT!"Big Paul and
>> >> Youth - the missing pieces are back, it's refined the
>> >> sound and is becoming something more akin to Killing Joke of
>> >> yore.Each release with the original line up far
>> >> outshine the last few prior to it and each new release (IMO)
>> >> gets stronger and stronger. Yes there's still the odd
>> >> chugga-chugga-SHOOOOOOOUT, but presumably they're to keep
>> >> the chugga-chugga-SHOOOOOOOUT fans of the last few years
>> >> happy?Anyway, I am back to feeling optimistic and
>> >> excited about each new release than
>> >> indifferent.They feel fresh
>> >> again.
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