[kj] 30 years of NIGHT TIME

[Neil Perry]

Paul I think you have finally summed up beautifully what is so bad about
OTG -
"an album that not even Geordie could save". Never thought about it in that
way, but
Jaz's megalomania was so out of control at this point that he managed to
neuter
the one single thing that could have made it sound great.

On 9 March 2015 at 20:53, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's funny how Jaz's influence rose unchecked from Fire Dances
> onwards. You could pretty much plot a straight line graph from that
> album - mostly Geordie with fine contributions from the others,
> through Night Time - all elements functioning well and evenly, up to
> BTATS - mostly Jaz with Geordie adding complementary riffs but still
> works... and then OTG - which not even Geordie could save!
>
> On 3/9/15, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> > Also I would argue that BOF is getting more comfortable. Like Jim infers,
> > his drums are pushing more on MMXII. A bit tentative in places in AD. You
> > can tell that was more written in the studio in places and committed to
> tape
> > a bit early.
> > You can always embellish bits but it's really hard to do that with drums.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 9 Mar 2015, at 10:27, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> The question of what each member brings is a complex one. It's tempting
> to
> >> ascribe the metal/industrial influences of post-OTG as Raven's doing,
> >> since he was also heavily active in the industrial and metal scenes.
> >> However, Pandemonium and Absolute Dissent also showcase the
> chugga-chugga.
> >> I don't think that's Youth's doing. Youth brought the trance and techno
> >> elements to the band obviously, but chugga-chugga really isn't his
> style.
> >>
> >> No, I think there's only one person we can look to for the chugga:
> >> Geordie. Obviously it's what gives him the most musical satisfaction at
> >> the moment.
> >>
> >> Youth's return has brought new production approaches, most importantly.
> >> He's broadening the band's sound, which I feel is very much a good
> thing.
> >> Big Paul fits into the sound perfectly, and maybe he's bringing new
> >> artistic considerations too. I liked AD, but it felt like a tentative
> >> effort, a way to see if 'it' could still happen. MMXII sounded much more
> >> like a band, and I'm hoping the next one continues that progression.
> >>
> >> Ramble, ramble.
> >>
> >> Jim.
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> On Mon, 9/3/15, Nick Scott <npscott at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [kj] 30 years of NIGHT TIME
> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> >> <gathering at misera.net>
> >> Date: Monday, 9 March, 2015, 11:01
> >>
> >> Is it a
> >> more refined sound now that the 'missing pieces' are
> >> back though Jamie?
> >> The only
> >> missing member from the equation was Big Paul.  They went
> >> through the whole 'chugga-shout' sound throughout
> >> both Youth as well as Raven as bassist.
> >> The refined sound that was developed
> >> in the early to mid 80s was during Ravens tenure during and
> >> after Fire Dances.  The metal sound was during both Raven
> >> and Youth's tenure...so is it Big Paul that also has
> >> dabbled in metal (albeit with other bands) that is
> >> attempting to refine the output again?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9 March 2015 at 09:40,
> >> fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> On 7 Mar 2015, at 13:19,
> >> jpwhkj--- via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> ....
> >> from Extremities onwards, that magical combination seems to
> >> have faded away.  Not entirely - there's been the
> >> occasional track since - but there's been too much
> >> growling from Jaz, too much chugging from Geordie, not
> >> enough of the funky dance ethic, not enough of the guitar
> >> that sounds like "a thousand orchestras playing at
> >> once", ..
> >> Bang on Jamie.They
> >> got stuck in a metal route of
> >> "chugga-chugga-SHOOOOOOOUT!"Big Paul and
> >> Youth - the missing pieces are back, it's refined the
> >> sound and is becoming something more akin to Killing Joke of
> >> yore.Each release with the original line up far
> >> outshine the last few prior to it and each new release (IMO)
> >> gets stronger and stronger. Yes there's still the odd
> >> chugga-chugga-SHOOOOOOOUT, but presumably they're to keep
> >> the chugga-chugga-SHOOOOOOOUT fans of the last few years
> >> happy?Anyway, I am back to feeling optimistic and
> >> excited about each new release than
> >> indifferent.They feel fresh
> >> again.
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