[kj] 30 years of NIGHT TIME

Paul Rangecroft paul.rangecroft at gmail.com
Mon Mar 9 15:53:29 EDT 2015


It's funny how Jaz's influence rose unchecked from Fire Dances
onwards. You could pretty much plot a straight line graph from that
album - mostly Geordie with fine contributions from the others,
through Night Time - all elements functioning well and evenly, up to
BTATS - mostly Jaz with Geordie adding complementary riffs but still
works... and then OTG - which not even Geordie could save!

On 3/9/15, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> Also I would argue that BOF is getting more comfortable. Like Jim infers,
> his drums are pushing more on MMXII. A bit tentative in places in AD. You
> can tell that was more written in the studio in places and committed to tape
> a bit early.
> You can always embellish bits but it's really hard to do that with drums.
>
>
>
>> On 9 Mar 2015, at 10:27, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> The question of what each member brings is a complex one. It's tempting to
>> ascribe the metal/industrial influences of post-OTG as Raven's doing,
>> since he was also heavily active in the industrial and metal scenes.
>> However, Pandemonium and Absolute Dissent also showcase the chugga-chugga.
>> I don't think that's Youth's doing. Youth brought the trance and techno
>> elements to the band obviously, but chugga-chugga really isn't his style.
>>
>> No, I think there's only one person we can look to for the chugga:
>> Geordie. Obviously it's what gives him the most musical satisfaction at
>> the moment.
>>
>> Youth's return has brought new production approaches, most importantly.
>> He's broadening the band's sound, which I feel is very much a good thing.
>> Big Paul fits into the sound perfectly, and maybe he's bringing new
>> artistic considerations too. I liked AD, but it felt like a tentative
>> effort, a way to see if 'it' could still happen. MMXII sounded much more
>> like a band, and I'm hoping the next one continues that progression.
>>
>> Ramble, ramble.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Mon, 9/3/15, Nick Scott <npscott at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] 30 years of NIGHT TIME
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> <gathering at misera.net>
>> Date: Monday, 9 March, 2015, 11:01
>>
>> Is it a
>> more refined sound now that the 'missing pieces' are
>> back though Jamie?
>> The only
>> missing member from the equation was Big Paul.  They went
>> through the whole 'chugga-shout' sound throughout
>> both Youth as well as Raven as bassist.
>> The refined sound that was developed
>> in the early to mid 80s was during Ravens tenure during and
>> after Fire Dances.  The metal sound was during both Raven
>> and Youth's tenure...so is it Big Paul that also has
>> dabbled in metal (albeit with other bands) that is
>> attempting to refine the output again?
>>
>>
>> On 9 March 2015 at 09:40,
>> fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> On 7 Mar 2015, at 13:19,
>> jpwhkj--- via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ....
>> from Extremities onwards, that magical combination seems to
>> have faded away.  Not entirely - there's been the
>> occasional track since - but there's been too much
>> growling from Jaz, too much chugging from Geordie, not
>> enough of the funky dance ethic, not enough of the guitar
>> that sounds like "a thousand orchestras playing at
>> once", ..
>> Bang on Jamie.They
>> got stuck in a metal route of
>> "chugga-chugga-SHOOOOOOOUT!"Big Paul and
>> Youth - the missing pieces are back, it's refined the
>> sound and is becoming something more akin to Killing Joke of
>> yore.Each release with the original line up far
>> outshine the last few prior to it and each new release (IMO)
>> gets stronger and stronger. Yes there's still the odd
>> chugga-chugga-SHOOOOOOOUT, but presumably they're to keep
>> the chugga-chugga-SHOOOOOOOUT fans of the last few years
>> happy?Anyway, I am back to feeling optimistic and
>> excited about each new release than
>> indifferent.They feel fresh
>> again.
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