[kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band

wessidetempest . wessidetempest at hotmail.com
Sun Apr 26 15:46:59 EDT 2015


I never thought killing joke was industrial. Nor is (good) Ministry, NIN, KMFDM. Etc etc. beyond the obvious acts like throbbing gristle, einsturzende etc I would put skinny puppy in there. Mainly because their work is a cacophony of samples of sounds when put together make music. I can understand while all these bands get lumped together. It was simply convenient for the times (80s). 
The majority of what is called industrial today is either crap dance music or crap metal. In my iTunes I label killing joke as post-punk. NIN KMFDM etc are in alternative. 

Chris

> On Apr 25, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Well, yes and no. The very term "Industrial" comes with specific connotations regarding instrumentation. If Skinny Puppy recorded an album on acoustic guitars, it would not be industrial. 
> 
> Again, regardless, it has nothing to do with Killing Joke. 
> 
> Alex in NYC 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> That's what industrial was. Music trends evolve and change...
>> 
>> On Sat, 25/4/15, Peter Moltesen <sneakypete at uwclub.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band
>> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" <gathering at misera.net>
>> Date: Saturday, 25 April, 2015, 18:10
>> 
>> For me, Industrial might
>> include Throbbing Gristle & SPK and perhaps the likes of
>> some of the more experimental Krautrock groups (perhaps the
>> likes of Faust, some Kraftwerk, Conrad Schnitzler and
>> Einsturzende Neubaten), but that’s about it!!
>> 
>> Shouty goth / metal with or
>> without drum machines and / or synths does not equal
>> Industrial music
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
>> On Behalf Of Alexander Smith
>> Sent: 25 April
>> 2015 15:50
>> To: A list about all things
>> Killing Joke (the band!)
>> Subject: [kj]
>> Killing Joke is not an Industrial band
>> 
>> I’m gong to try to revive discussions here,
>> as most of the KJ groups on Facebook are public, and I
>> don’t necessarily want to trouble my non-Kj-addicted
>> friends with my Joke-related concerns (more than I already
>> do). 
>> 
>> I’m sure we’ve
>> addressed this at various points in the past, but why are
>> Killing Joke ever cited as “industrial”?
>> 
>> Maybe sensibility-wise they
>> have something in common, but when it comes to the signature
>> trappings of all things Industrial — whether your
>> definition of same stems from originators like Throbbing
>> Gristle, Neubauten and Cabaret Voltaire or laughable
>> latter-day dinks who wear space goggles and black fishnet
>> stockings in your local shopping mall — Killing Joke have
>> never really strayed from guitar/bass/drums/keyboards. No
>> banging on metal or pile-drivers of clinky-clanky things at
>> all.
>> 
>> I mean, there are
>> assuredly elements of metal and punk (and, for that matter,
>> traces of reggae and disco ) in the actual *sound* of the
>> band, but I never had seen how they’ve been qualified as
>> Industrial. Killing Joke are no more an industrial band than
>> Public Image Ltd. are/were.
>> 
>> Of course, loads of industrial bands have
>> ripped Killing Joke off (hello, Ministry, NIN et al.), but
>> that doesn’t make the `Joke industrial.
>> 
>> At all.
>> 
>> No it doesn’t.
>> 
>> Weigh in, haters.
>> 
>> Alex in NYC
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