[kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band

[Paul Rangecroft]

I agree that they're not industrial, however I would say that Murder
Inc and Damage Manual were (possibly Pigface also - not sure, never
listened to them) so clearly there is an association. Whatever Jaz
brings seems to elevate them above industrial music.

On 4/26/15, wessidetempest . <wessidetempest at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I never thought killing joke was industrial. Nor is (good) Ministry, NIN,
> KMFDM. Etc etc. beyond the obvious acts like throbbing gristle, einsturzende
> etc I would put skinny puppy in there. Mainly because their work is a
> cacophony of samples of sounds when put together make music. I can
> understand while all these bands get lumped together. It was simply
> convenient for the times (80s).
> The majority of what is called industrial today is either crap dance music
> or crap metal. In my iTunes I label killing joke as post-punk. NIN KMFDM etc
> are in alternative.
>
> Chris
>
>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, yes and no. The very term "Industrial" comes with specific
>> connotations regarding instrumentation. If Skinny Puppy recorded an album
>> on acoustic guitars, it would not be industrial.
>>
>> Again, regardless, it has nothing to do with Killing Joke.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's what industrial was. Music trends evolve and change...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 25/4/15, Peter Moltesen <sneakypete at uwclub.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band
>>> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Date: Saturday, 25 April, 2015, 18:10
>>>
>>> For me, Industrial might
>>> include Throbbing Gristle & SPK and perhaps the likes of
>>> some of the more experimental Krautrock groups (perhaps the
>>> likes of Faust, some Kraftwerk, Conrad Schnitzler and
>>> Einsturzende Neubaten), but that's about it!!
>>>
>>> Shouty goth / metal with or
>>> without drum machines and / or synths does not equal
>>> Industrial music
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
>>> On Behalf Of Alexander Smith
>>> Sent: 25 April
>>> 2015 15:50
>>> To: A list about all things
>>> Killing Joke (the band!)
>>> Subject: [kj]
>>> Killing Joke is not an Industrial band
>>>
>>> I'm gong to try to revive discussions here,
>>> as most of the KJ groups on Facebook are public, and I
>>> don't necessarily want to trouble my non-Kj-addicted
>>> friends with my Joke-related concerns (more than I already
>>> do).
>>>
>>> I'm sure we've
>>> addressed this at various points in the past, but why are
>>> Killing Joke ever cited as "industrial"?
>>>
>>> Maybe sensibility-wise they
>>> have something in common, but when it comes to the signature
>>> trappings of all things Industrial -- whether your
>>> definition of same stems from originators like Throbbing
>>> Gristle, Neubauten and Cabaret Voltaire or laughable
>>> latter-day dinks who wear space goggles and black fishnet
>>> stockings in your local shopping mall -- Killing Joke have
>>> never really strayed from guitar/bass/drums/keyboards. No
>>> banging on metal or pile-drivers of clinky-clanky things at
>>> all.
>>>
>>> I mean, there are
>>> assuredly elements of metal and punk (and, for that matter,
>>> traces of reggae and disco ) in the actual *sound* of the
>>> band, but I never had seen how they've been qualified as
>>> Industrial. Killing Joke are no more an industrial band than
>>> Public Image Ltd. are/were.
>>>
>>> Of course, loads of industrial bands have
>>> ripped Killing Joke off (hello, Ministry, NIN et al.), but
>>> that doesn't make the `Joke industrial.
>>>
>>> At all.
>>>
>>> No it doesn't.
>>>
>>> Weigh in, haters.
>>>
>>> Alex in NYC
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