[kj] OT: Lydon, US v UK punk

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From: powens <powens at gmail.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 6:20:22 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Lydon, US v UK punk

Am reading an Alex in NYC post about US v UK punk. On Groundhog Day. 

Have.
Not.
The.
Words.

john-paul


On 2 February 2011 14:12, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:



>

>We've been over this too many times.

>

>

>Had there not been the Stooges, the Velvet Underground, the Modern Lovers, the 

>MC5 and the Ramones (all Yanks), there would not have been a UK punk. Yes, 

>British Punk evolved into an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THING, but one inarguably led to 

>the other. Full stop.

>

>

>As much as I love Television, though, I never thought they were particularly 

>"punk" (by any definition).  Art-rockers who dressed like junkies but played a 

>brand of floridly ornate guitar rock that isn't any less masturbatory than the 

>most gratuitous prog.

>

>

>Alex in NYC

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>

>On Feb 2, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Jim Harper wrote:

>

>I think it's obvious there was in NYC there was a creative vital and original 

>musical movement happening in the late 70s. But much as I love Talking Heads, 

>Blondie and the mighty Television, I have a really hard time connecting it with 

>the UK punk movement. I don't know if he came to the UK, but in '76 Verlaine 

>would probably have been burned at the stake...

>>

>>Just my thoughts...

>>

>>Jim.

>>

>>--- On Wed, 2/2/11, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>

>>Oh yes -- `cos Lydon's ALWAYS been ENTIRELY CORRECT and ACCURATE ABOUT 

>>ABSOLUTELY *EVERY*THING, hasn't he?

>>>

>>>

>>>Alex in NYC

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>>>On Feb 2, 2011, at 3:57 AM, Rob Moss wrote:

>>>

>>>Quite right. 

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Punk rock. 

>>>>America. 

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Silly idea. 

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>On 2 Feb 2011, at 08:25, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>I'm not trying to fan the flames of this debate as I don't personally have an 

>>>>interest. However, I like history, so for the punk historians on the board, from 

>>>>today's '60 second' interview in the Metro:

>>>>>

>>>>>Q: If the Pistols hadn't existed, would punk have happened?

>>>>>

>>>>>A: No. There's confusion about this from people who should know better. Whatever 

>>>>>was happening in New York was being done by much older people than us who were 

>>>>>interested in the poetry of Rimbaud or glam rock - which isn't where we were. 

>>>>>Older acts claimed it came from them first, which isn't right.

>>>>>

>>>>>Apart from that, he says he's releasing a book called Mr Rotten's Scrapbook, 

>>>>>limited edition, 750 copies, £449 (that's not a typo!). He also says the butter 

>>>>>adverts funded the PiL tours. 

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

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>>>>>

>>>>>________________________________

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:06:27 -0800

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>>>>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] What is God disappeared?

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>>>>>Bullshit!  *wink-wink* I mean, Brighter Than A Thousand Suns!

>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCuc34hvD4#t=2m57s

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>>>>>

>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPDaz6uO9Ps

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>>>>>Subject: [kj] What is God disappeared?

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