[kj] OT: Lydon, US v UK punk

[GREG SLAWSON]

DOn't forget the NY Dolls (new album in March!!!). Even Mick Jones said in one of the those doc interviews that the Clash were listening to them...
 


From: powens at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:20:22 +0000
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Lydon, US v UK punk

Am reading an Alex in NYC post about US v UK punk. On Groundhog Day.


Have.
Not.
The.
Words.


john-paul


On 2 February 2011 14:12, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:





We've been over this too many times.


Had there not been the Stooges, the Velvet Underground, the Modern Lovers, the MC5 and the Ramones (all Yanks), there would not have been a UK punk. Yes, British Punk evolved into an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THING, but one inarguably led to the other. Full stop.


As much as I love Television, though, I never thought they were particularly "punk" (by any definition).  Art-rockers who dressed like junkies but played a brand of floridly ornate guitar rock that isn't any less masturbatory than the most gratuitous prog.


Alex in NYC




On Feb 2, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Jim Harper wrote:






I think it's obvious there was in NYC there was a creative vital and original musical movement happening in the late 70s. But much as I love Talking Heads, Blondie and the mighty Television, I have a really hard time connecting it with the UK punk movement. I don't know if he came to the UK, but in '76 Verlaine would probably have been burned at the stake...
 
Just my thoughts...
 
Jim.

--- On Wed, 2/2/11, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:



Oh yes -- `cos Lydon's ALWAYS been ENTIRELY CORRECT and ACCURATE ABOUT ABSOLUTELY *EVERY*THING, hasn't he?


Alex in NYC




On Feb 2, 2011, at 3:57 AM, Rob Moss wrote:



Quite right. 


Punk rock. 
America. 


Silly idea. 





On 2 Feb 2011, at 08:25, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com> wrote:




I'm not trying to fan the flames of this debate as I don't personally have an interest. However, I like history, so for the punk historians on the board, from today's '60 second' interview in the Metro:

Q: If the Pistols hadn't existed, would punk have happened?

A: No. There's confusion about this from people who should know better. Whatever was happening in New York was being done by much older people than us who were interested in the poetry of Rimbaud or glam rock - which isn't where we were. Older acts claimed it came from them first, which isn't right.

Apart from that, he says he's releasing a book called Mr Rotten's Scrapbook, limited edition, 750 copies, £449 (that's not a typo!). He also says the butter adverts funded the PiL tours. 









Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:06:27 -0800
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] What is God disappeared?




Bullshit!  *wink-wink* I mean, Brighter Than A Thousand Suns!
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCuc34hvD4#t=2m57s
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPDaz6uO9Ps
 




From: Paul Wady <paulwady at hotmail.com>
To: Gatherers Killing Joke Gatherers <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 6:26:01 AM
Subject: [kj] What is God disappeared?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCuc34hvD4 




KNOW YE, HEATHEN HORDES OF GATHERERS, WHAT OUR WORLD WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THE CREATOR DID A LORD-LUCAN!!!







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