[kj] Killing Joke in China

[Peter LAMB]

I have contatced the event organiders in China to ask them to confirm when KJ will be playing but have not recieved a reply. Which is quite typical... This event has been marred by non events in the past and lots of no shows. So my guess is not to hold your breath on this.

I have lived in China for ten years now and read with with interest the comments about China on the gathering. My two pence worth is as follows. China is increasingly looking like the west in the big cities in terms of infrastructure but all similarity with the west stops there. To say that western governments are just as corrupt as China is well a pretty dumb statement. Yes politicians are corrupted by power everywhere but at least in the west there are certain systematic checks and balances that give the average person a right via the media and ballot box a chance to highlight the worst excesses. This is not apparent in China.

China never has been communist apart from in name. The current set up is another is along line of totalitarian states.There never has been another way in China. The government is nothing more than a cartel of vested interests and mafia. The avergae person hates this system but have to play by the rules nontheless.

Since being away from the UK I find most westerners to be fairly self loathing about the west but take for granted what the average person here would love and that is freedom.

Check out www. chinasmack.com for a glimse into the madness that is modern China.

P.S. It's still a fun place to be...

The new CD is not bad but could the songs could do with a chnage of pacing at times!



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   1. london, hammersmith, October 16th (Dirk Kingerske)
   2. Re: In Excelsis (nicholas fitzpatrick)
   3. Re: KJ in China? (Karen Weil)
   4. Re: KJ on BBC 6: (P Elliott)
   5. Re: KJ in China? (Brendan Quinn)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:35:20 +0200
From: Dirk Kingerske <dirkingerske at hotmail.com>
Subject: [kj] london, hammersmith, October 16th
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does anyone of you have two spare tickets for the london gig... flight (arriving 15th and leaving 17th in the evening) and hotel (golden strand) are booked?

hope to see you there....

(gig or not!)

dirk and frank

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:38:47 +0000
From: nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] In Excelsis
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Got mine yesterday from Finland also. Only took a couple of days to get here (here being UK. Thanks Arvid for recommending the site). The 4 tracks are superb. I'm not a dub fan, but I can't believe they've done 'Ghosts of Ladbroke Grove' - it's fantastic!!! Probably the most refreshing KJ song in well over a decade. If they have maintained that level of experimentalism for the album then we are in for a treat.The music definitely echoes the very early days. There's something that reminds me of 'Complications' and 'WTF' on one or two tracks, but the music is new all the same.I'm tempted to say that BPF and Youth have given the band something that was urgently needed - new ideas. But of course, I don't know if that was how the group dynamic really worked. Anyone got any lyrics to post? I've not had chance for a proper chin-stroking listen yet.And what's so bad about Ladbroke Grove these days?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:26:35 +0200
From: rob.moss at gmx.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] In Excelsis



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Just thought i would mention that I have received my order of the CD from Finland in order to post to Mr Smiff in Hicksville, NYC.



The CD only release comes in a jewel case with the same artwork as the 10 inch.
The CD that came with the 10" as a package is only in a slip case with different artwork.
I've seen these appear on eBay as "promos"


What an exciting life I lead if I consider THIS shite newsworthy!!


Smiffy, it's in the post tonight mate!


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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:51:30 -0700
From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
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Somewhere, Dr. Seuss is crying. ; )


k.w.
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: sade1
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?


  Apparently "the People's wisdom" comes to the fore as
  China has its own oil spill, and their answer is to use straw
  mats and.. -- wait for it -- waaiiit for it -- chopsticks! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_china_pipeline_explosion




  ... ... ... ... ... ...

  [looking at the current state of things..]

  'Who has the fun..
    ..is it always a man with a gun...?
      Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"





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  From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
  Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 3:39:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?


  Ooops!


  And you could say the same of the UK USA Australian govts too ( feel free to add to the lists).


  All regimes elected or otherwise, corrupt themselves the very moment they get into office.


  Want to talk about Human Rights? Why the fuck is Guantanamo bay still open? Why is there a warehouse full
  of people who want asylum less than 10 miles from my house?
  Why are so called civilized nations still putting people to death for their crimes?
  Why did the UK govt lie and lie and lie about Iraq and the economy.




  Our problem in the west is that we can't accept failure or criticism.


  Why do people have such a downer on China? Without it We are all fucked!


  Sure China ain't perfect but it's a whole lot better than it was. It's moving forwards whilst I sometimes think we are running backwards.


  By the way, my name translated into Chinese and then back again comes out as Raspberry Hair mousse.
  Those that know me will see the irony!!







  On 20 Jul 2010, at 23:14, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


          The pre-80s era was also characterized by massive human rights violations, insane and counterproductive business practices and corruption on a immense scale.

          (To be fair, they've partially managed to sort out the business practices issue).

          Oh, and let's not forget the Chinese government's fondness for lying through their teeth about their 'successes'.

          Jim.

          --- On Tue, 20/7/10, GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com> wrote:

            Examples of pre-1980s practices: eliminating many diseases and widespread opium addiction (and rehab and social integration of addicts, rather
            than jail as in the US), and spreading literacy to most of the population (creating a phonetic alphabet helped).
            Some interesting books by Westerners who lived in China during the sort-of communist period:
            "Away With All Pests" by a doctor who witnessed the health care movement; "Fanshen", by William Hinton, an agriculture specialist
            who lived in a red-controlled village and was fluent in Chinese. It talks about many things, including how party leaders could be recalled by popular vote
            in the village (and anyone could vote regardless of party membership). There's another book (forgot the name) by a British industrial expert who
            witnessed the worker-run tractor factories. He describes how everything from work hours to child care was decided by the workers, in what
            seemed like chaos compared to our regimented work lives in the West, and that he saw them produce more than any European factory ever did.


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            From: karen.weil at sddt.com
            To: gathering at misera.net
            Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:49:09 -0700
            Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?


            In the purest sense? No. But certainly, they carried out more of the practices that define a communist gov't -- until some free-market ideals were introduced in the early 80s.
            Doesn't matter, now -- the regime there is still miserable.

            K.W.
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              was it ever?




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              Totally agree with Greg on this. China's gov't. is hardly communist anymore.


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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:18:36 +0100
From: P Elliott <p.elliott5 at sky.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ on BBC 6:
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Saw them at Reading in 86. Got bloody soaked and no encore.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:


> Not a big deal and I don't know how old it is, but Gideon Coe featured four

> live KJ tracks from the 1986 Reading festival on his show. I forget where I

> saw it, but somebody cornered BPF a while back before the reunion and did an

> interview wherein he described this show as among his most memorable. These

> are also on that BBC In Concert disc that came out back in the late 90's.

> Jaz remains a bit "pitchy," but decent tracks nonetheless.

>

> Starts at 2:18:00

>

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00t3t4c/Gideon_Coe_With_Killing_Joke/

>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:11:53 +1000
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Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?
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He'll find this appropriate then:



http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2009/11/14/what-the-fuck-is-this-shit-dr-seus
s/what-the-fuck-is-this-shit-dr-seuss-2/







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Behalf Of Karen Weil
Sent: Friday, 23 July 2010 3:52 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?



Somewhere, Dr. Seuss is crying. ; )





k.w.

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To: A list about <mailto:gathering at misera.net>  all things Killing Joke (the
band!)

Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:08 AM

Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?



Apparently "the People's wisdom" comes to the fore as

China has its own oil spill, and their answer is to use straw

mats and.. -- wait for it -- waaiiit for it -- chopsticks!
<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_china_pipeline_explosion>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_china_pipeline_explosion

 Image removed by sender.





... ... ... ... ... ...


[looking at the current state of things..]



'Who has the fun..

  ..is it always a man with a gun...?

    Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"






  _____


From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 3:39:09 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?

Ooops!



And you could say the same of the UK USA Australian govts too ( feel free to
add to the lists).



All regimes elected or otherwise, corrupt themselves the very moment they
get into office.



Want to talk about Human Rights? Why the fuck is Guantanamo bay still open?
Why is there a warehouse full

of people who want asylum less than 10 miles from my house?

Why are so called civilized nations still putting people to death for their
crimes?

Why did the UK govt lie and lie and lie about Iraq and the economy.





Our problem in the west is that we can't accept failure or criticism.



Why do people have such a downer on China? Without it We are all fucked!



Sure China ain't perfect but it's a whole lot better than it was. It's
moving forwards whilst I sometimes think we are running backwards.



By the way, my name translated into Chinese and then back again comes out as
Raspberry Hair mousse.

Those that know me will see the irony!!








On 20 Jul 2010, at 23:14, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


The pre-80s era was also characterized by massive human rights violations,
insane and counterproductive business practices and corruption on a immense
scale.



(To be fair, they've partially managed to sort out the business practices
issue).

Oh, and let's not forget the Chinese government's fondness for lying through
their teeth about their 'successes'.



Jim.


--- On Tue, 20/7/10, GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com> wrote:

Examples of pre-1980s practices: eliminating many diseases and widespread
opium addiction (and rehab and social integration of addicts, rather
than jail as in the US), and spreading literacy to most of the population
(creating a phonetic alphabet helped).
Some interesting books by Westerners who lived in China during the sort-of
communist period:
"Away With All Pests" by a doctor who witnessed the health care movement;
"Fanshen", by William Hinton, an agriculture specialist
who lived in a red-controlled village and was fluent in Chinese. It talks
about many things, including how party leaders could be recalled by popular
vote
in the village (and anyone could vote regardless of party membership).
There's another book (forgot the name) by a British industrial expert who
witnessed the worker-run tractor factories. He describes how everything from
work hours to child care was decided by the workers, in what
seemed like chaos compared to our regimented work lives in the West, and
that he saw them produce more than any European factory ever did.


  _____

From: karen.weil at sddt.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:49:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?

In the purest sense? No. But certainly, they carried out more of the
practices that define a communist gov't -- until some free-market ideals
were introduced in the early 80s.

Doesn't matter, now -- the regime there is still miserable.



K.W.

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was it ever?

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:54:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?

Totally agree with Greg on this. China's gov't. is hardly communist anymore.




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