[kj] NYC Reviews? sound issues

[fluw]

It used to be that bands were mixed with the vocals as the dominant and the
other instruments are added to fill in. these days drums are the focal point
of a mix, where you might be able to hear the ting off the bell on the ride
cymbol or the drummers flatulations better than the guitar or the lead
vocalist.

 

But with bass it is even worse these days, as the instrument Is pumped
through the PA,  when that sound from the bass reaches the speakers it is
out of phase ( out of time ) with the sound coming from the bass amplifier
on stage. Phase cancellation occurs at this point which renders the bass
frequencies into an incongruent mass of mud.

 

The bass issue can be solved by a soundperson using a phase aligner that
will delay the bass sound coming from the PA until it matches the throw of
the bass frequencies coming from the stage bass amplifier. This is very rear
to find sound techs who comprehend such a simple notion however.

 

Solving the drums being the center of the mix issue is easy as well. Just
mix the drums to follow the vocals and guitar in amplified intensity and the
mix will be remarkably clear and punchy and powerful.

 

       

   

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of ceplaster at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 5:52 PM
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] NYC Reviews?

 

I respectfully disagree with the one-note live band thing.   While they
absolutely are a loud live band,   the one-note thing comes as much from the
sound man as it does from them.  At last nights show in Boston,    There was
more dimensionality coming off the stage than was coming through the pa.
As far as live mixing goes, the more you try to push guitar and bass guitar
so you can really hear what they are doing, the more complicated the mixing
gets.  A lot of live sound guys avoid that so that their mixes sound cleaner
and more "pro", at least to them.  Also, the bigger the venue, the messier
guitar heavy mixes start to sound.  There is definitely an art to mixing
this way, and it is not the easiest way to mix a band.    In any case, with
KJ, if the guitar and the bass aren't mixed loud and clear, you miss a lot
of what is going on.       - CP

 

-----Original Message-----
From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [kj] NYC Reviews?

I think another issue w/the set lists is live, KJ are somewhat a different
being than on record. They've recored albums w/several different
not just styles, but moods, feels, attitiudes, etc (for ex, the weird
dissonance of Revelations, the accessibility of BTATS, the arty hard rock of
Extremities,
the trance/metal of Pandemonium, the ultra serious apocalyptic metal of
2003, etc. BUt live they're a one-note band--all about the volume, force, 
wall of sound, catharsis. So they tend to pick the songs for live shows that
fit w/that!
 

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 22:41:08 +0000
From: phil.tofield at virgin.net
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] NYC Reviews?

Spot on...

 

unlikely though

On 5 December 2010 22:34, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

 

Just once .... I'd love to hear "Chop Chop" and "Let's All Go (To the Fire
Dances)". Just once.

 

Alex in NYC

 

 

On Dec 5, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Wessidetempest wrote:

 

They did do king and queens on pandemonium tour. 

Devils advocate here. 

They toured the shit out of extremities before and after the album came out.
So maybe they're sick of it. 

I took would like stuff off of revelations. 

Don't really care about wardance much anymore. Requiem still gives me
chills. I still live the guitar and keyboard riff. I'm glad they arenfinally
easing up on pandemonium. I liked 2003 so id prefer  something other then
asteroid. Hell give me one song off of hosannas just because we never got it
in the states. 

 

Oh well. Beggars can't be choosers. But beggars can be gatherers. 

 

Chris


On Dec 5, 2010, at 3:43 PM, PHIL TOFIELD <phil.tofield at virgin.net> wrote:

It kind of pisses me off that they seem to completely disregard about 90% of
their back catalogue now. Nothing from Revelations, nothing from Fire
Dances, nothing from Brighter, nothing from Extremities (I never really
liked Extremities era, but Termite Mound was great live), nothing from OTG
(cough....), nothing from Democracy....

 

It would be good if they'd throw in a couple of curve-balls now and again
though, Darkness Before Dawn, Song and Dance, The Hum, Twilight of the
Mortals, Kings and Queens, Pandys, the full rap version of Stay One Jump
Ahead....

 

(ok strike that last one...)

Im not complaining, its great that they are still touring and are still
sounding so good live, but do they absolutely have to play
Wardance/Pssyche/Requiem et al. at every single gig? A bit of variety from
the back catalogue wouldn't go amis.

 

Good to hear that the gigs are going down well over the pond.

 

On 5 December 2010 13:47, Alexander Smith < <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>
vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

 

I know Youth didn't play on the album, but would it KILL the band to play a
track off of FIRE DANCES? Youth didn't play on NIGHTTIME and they still do
"Love Like Blood" and "Eighties." 

 

Alex in NYC

 

 

 

On Dec 4, 2010, at 8:55 PM, sade1 wrote:

 



Same here.

Though I'm not thrilled by that setlist (30 fuckin' years[32+!!]of work and
that's what they choose??) I will prolly go see them because I am getting
the impression this will be the last time we will see them Live.

 

 


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From: " <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com> LONESTYLE at aol.com" <
<mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com> LONESTYLE at aol.com>
To:  <mailto:gathering at misera.net> gathering at misera.net
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 12:00:47 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] NYC Reviews?

Alex,

 

 

That will be us too when they play LA. Just enough time for a pee and a
drink plus  maybe a smoke too if we are lucky. ;) HA!

 

 

~ LB

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/4/2010 11:54:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
<mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net> vassifer at earthlink.net writes:

"This World Hell" was my going-to-the-men's-room-then-getting-another-beer
song.

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/4/2010 8:34:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
<mailto:jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk> jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk writes:

SET LIST.
 
Tomorrow's World
Love Like Blood
Absolute Dissent
Wardance
In Excelsis
Bloodsport
European Superstate
Madness
Fall of Because
Ghosts of Ladbroke Grove
Eighties
The Great Cull
The Wait
This World Hell
Requiem
Asteroid
Pssyche

Change
Complications
Pandemonium

 

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