[kj] Timewave, November Novelty

[The Exorcist]

I never said there is anything wrong with co-operation (BTW, most 
sports involve "Cooperation" ). Nor is there anything
wrong with helping others (There is a big difference from helping and 
coddling/shilding/over protecting).
Nor do I think sports should be forced on anyone.

However banning sports (TAG? TAG!) from schools is ridiculous! The 
same way a child learns hot and cold, right and wrong etc...
They have to learn and understand life lessons. One of them is you 
don't always win. We all fail/lose at times and should
be taught how to deal with it. Besides it teaches the child how to 
reach for higher goals and to better ones self. Oh, and did I
forget to mention that it's healthy and is a GREAT outlet for 
children? (Yes, believe it or not, children DO need to run around.)

I was always a short and thin child (Now I'm a short and thin adult). 
Not the most athletic. But I practiced sports, enjoyed it
and there came a time where people would actually prefer to have me 
on their team rather than not. It wasn't always easy
but I worked on it, changed my status and improved my skills. When I 
won, the feeling of accomplishment was all the greater
due to the odds being against it. When I lost I said "no biggie, life 
goes on and I still enjoyed the game".

To coddle a child and over protect a child is not a good idea. Nor is 
it a good idea to take away the rights from other children
who choose to be active in sports and enjoy them. I am sure that in 
your lifetime you've come across "spoiled" children who
act like berserk fiends when they don't get what they want. They were 
never told no and never told that they weren't the greatest.

When they get older they WILL have massive issues of dealing with 
failure and letdowns especially when they don't have a
crutch to lean on. Think of your immune system... It actually needs 
to be exposed to sickness in order to learn how to build up
combat and protect itself when your body gets infected. If you'd live 
in a bubble all the time and be overly protected when the
time would come and you'd get sick your body wouldn't be able to 
combat the illness.

No one mentioned "Toddler Survivor" (I've never even watched one 
survivor episode, and proud of it!) and you're taking a simple
concept out of context and turning it into an extreme. Though I do 
see Mr. Carlin talking about the corporate sponsors of "Toddler
Survivor" and the logo's... "Brought to you by HUGGIES ULTIMATES... 
When the shit hits the fan we're there to keep it in check." LOL

Re: Carlin,

I don't agree with many of his views but you know what, he's damn 
funny, he's damn insightful, he cracks me up and he said many
things that made me go "hmmmmm, I think he's got a point". I don't 
think his work has anything to do with social darwinism.
Have you seen most of his stand up acts??? And anger... Well I hate 
to break it to you but black/dark humor has always been around
espoused and eschewed by many. Could it be that his anger is at 
really stupid shit that he'd seen being promoted?

(Wonder what you think of Lewis Black... LOL!)

Please don't define my interpretation of "kewlness" as you see it. 
We'd probably be way off in many many aspects.
Though I must admit, "Dillinger" is a real cool kick ass name!

Best,
Yos

At 06:26 PM 10/21/2008, Bette Dillinger wrote:

>Excellent response, man!

>Competition is everywhere.....thus, there is less of a need for 

>instruction on it, especially in the

>schools of the US.  Cooperation is not a horrific word, helping 

>others is not some diabolical plot to make others "soft" or 

>"ineffectual".  I know morality cannot be taught, but basic 

>understanding of others is what early schooling *should* be about.

>What, do you want "Toddler Survivor"?  ;)  Anyone cranking up the 

>Beethoven?  I see little Alex walking this way.  He wants to be king 

>of the hill, and he has a crazy mommy and daddy.  But lets toughen 

>him up more for the "working world".

>

>BTW, I would read the life story of Mr Carlin before quoting 

>him.  Could his anger be at himself?  Nah, he espoused a murky 

>hybrid of Social Darwinism, so he's kewl, eh?

>

>Bette

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>From: bbarathy at btinternet.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:12:03 +0100

>Subject: Re: [kj] Timewave, November Novelty

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>My 10 year old daughters school has no losers.

>Everyones a winner!

>Bollocks I tell her. You go out there and beat their arses.

>Comin' second=first loser.

>Don't you come home unless you win at everything and don't want to 

>hear no excuses! :)

>

>boBToo

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>-----Original Message-----

>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of The Exorcist

>Sent: 21 October 2008 17:48

>To: joker at Z6.com; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] Timewave, November Novelty

>To the Esteemed Mr. Arse:

>You're still a saint compared to my dad!

>It sorta scares the shit out of me how all these schools and educators

>are trying to eliminate competitive sports and even go the extremes of

>banning tag, and LEGO... yes even LEGO.

>George Carlin (rip), on his last HBO stand up went on about this.

>"Grade school, where he won't be allowed to play tag because it 

>promotes victimization... Standing around is still permitted, but it 

>won't be for long. because sooner or later some kid is gonna be 

>standing around, and his foot will fall asleep, and his parents will 

>sue the school, and it's fucking good-bye fucking standing around." 

>-George Carlin

>"You know what they tell the kid who lost these days? 'You were the 

>last winner.' A lot of kinds never get to hear the truth about 

>themselves until they're in their twenties, when their boss calls 

>them in and says, Bobby, clean the shit out of your desk and get the 

>fuck out of here, you're a loser."-George Carlin

>Yos

>At 12:24 PM 10/21/2008, Rob's Arse wrote:

>So, if we all lose, we will all be winners in the end? Because we'll 

>all be happy and catered for and that, to me sounds like winning.

>So if we're all winners by losing we all become takers by default.

>Can you see where this is going??

>On my desk is a badge my son made for me when he was 5. It says "you 

>are a winner".

>What he's actually saying is "you're a loser Dad".

>That's his pocket money stopped then........!

>

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>--- killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com wrote:

>From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

>Subject: Re: [kj] Timewave, November Novelty

>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:11:59 -0400

>Use Shitake! :)

>At 06:10 AM 10/21/2008, Brendan wrote:

>Anyway, if something else big does happen in Nov then I'm gonna stop

>reading the financial papers and start taking shrooms. Probably a good

>life plan regardless ;)

> > interesting stuff happens all the time!

> > i think the idea is mainly bollox, not enough black and white data to make

> > it failsafe for me - and i believe all sorts of crazy shit!

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