[kj] ot- palin shite

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That's the deal!
I vote for the squirrels of Leicester and the pigeons of Nottingham, 2 cities that might just about survive the flood when the ice caps melt

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--- On Thu, 9/10/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:


> From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ot- palin vote

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

> Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 8:31 AM

> You're pretty much preaching to the choir on that one. I

> believe it's a

> moral imperative for people to develop their awareness of

> how things

> really work, and do what they can to effect positive

> change...because the

> fact is, if you think things couldn't be

> improved...well actually you're

> probably a republican ;)

> 

> If what you mean is that it's a shame so much time and

> effort is spent in

> arguing a false dichotomy, or a pointless sub-debate, fair

> enough. But I

> am not entirely sure the best thing to do is to opt out of

> the system

> entirely. Voter lethargy in the 'States is already a

> big problem, if you

> look at the politics of those who don't vote it's a

> shame because polls

> indicate that Americans want a vastly different form of

> Govt from what

> they have, in terms of healthcare, overseas policy etc. So

> it stands to

> reason that a lot of those who hold those opinions are

> non-voters.

> 

> So as I said, I see Omaba as the lesser of two evils. I

> suppose the big

> picture view as you see it is that there's no

> difference. I'm not

> interested in arguing about it too much because I can see

> your point of

> view and I have to agree it seems equally as valid as mine

> from certain

> angles. Time will tell I suppose.

> 

> Your scenarios below are speculation at this stage. And in

> terms of the

> troop withdrawals...you're really not going to get a

> lot of sympathy, from

> me at least, for the mercs. As far as the army...career

> soldiers get very

> little sympathy from me. The young kids who were

> indoctrinated in American

> propaganda from birth by society, parents, friends and

> other family

> members...it's a shame. But it's also a shame that

> more Iraqi civilians

> have died than any other group, so big picture, well, the

> USA made it's

> bed..."sleep now in the fire." That's what

> you get for trusting your govt.

> 

> Iran...hasn't happened yet. I don't imagine the US

> wants another

> disastrous war, with a far stronger and more resolute

> enemy, it's already

> spread too thin. And the economy is fucked. Bu who knows.

> 

> And support from an arms producer....no shit. He also

> wouldn't have been

> so much as considered for nomination if he wasn't a

> Christian ...selling

> out to lobby groups - corporates and christians in

> particular - has been

> par for the course in American politics for a long time.

> 

> 

> > If by pulling out of Iraq as soon as possible you mean

> leaving behind

> > thousands of troops and private contractors, sure.

> >

> > If by negotiating with Iran you mean tough economic

> sanctions to starve

> > the

> > people (like Iraq in the 90s) before a military

> invasion takes place,

> > sure.

> >

> > Watch Obama's speech to AIPAC. Youtube it. Full

> 30min speech on there.

> > Doesn't he sound like someone familiar?

> >

> > BTW, do you think Obama's support from Lockheed

> Martin comes free?

> >

> >> That's hardly fair. Obama, specifically, is

> talking about negotiating

> >> with

> >> Iran and pulling out of Iraq as soon as possible.

> McCain is talking

> >> about

> >> staying there and "winning,"

> obliterating North Korea, and hasn't been

> >> nearly as open as Obama in regards discussions,

> let alone negotiations,

> >> with Iran

> >

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