[kj] (OT) Worst Singers

Brendan Quinn bq at soundgardener.co.nz
Sat Nov 15 21:15:12 EST 2008


What I mean about us being barbaric are things like our collusion by default
to the murder of innocent people, via paying tax to a ‘government’ (a front
organisation to lull people into the belief that they have some control when
they have almost none) who tell lies & create fear in order to start wars
that profit a small minority, paying tax that goes into the military /
industrial / political / religious machine, participating in an economy that
favours the rich over the poor. When you look at the alternatives, what
could be done with that money
food, clean water, power, education,
health
it’s nuts, and the whole system of government is completely corrupt.
It’s not democratic at all, you have no real say where your tax money goes
and no real ability to opt out or create an alternative. Look at Obama, the
great new hope. Immediately changing tack from the rhetoric of change, to
‘maintain a steady keel because we don’t want to scare the markets’ (can
cite the reference if you want). It’s amazing how easily we’re fucked over,
and we buy it.



I can’t really see it any other way than those people with access to the
most power & resources are the cause of most of the problem, because they
don’t want to share. Not only do they not want to share, they don’t want
others to have enough for themselves or the resources to have enough for
themselves, not if there’s a profit in keeping them down (artificial
scarcity, the destruction of surplus food to maintain prices, while people
starve to death, terminator seeds that self-destruct after one season
).



I mean, really, if there was a general consensus amongst the power elite
that it’d be a good idea to start moving resources away from war and into
increasing the standard of living for everyone (which would be a far cheaper
and more effective way to improve security anyway), don’t you think we’ve
had enough decades or centuries to do it? Isn’t that really, without
pontificating or debating on politics or philosophy, what we should be
doing? Is there any rational argument against gradually de-commissioning the
military worldwide and putting the resources into the exact opposite? I find
it disingenuous that people can come up with any sort of objection to that
basic idea at all, and I tend to chose the latter of ‘re-educate or
disassociate.’



The majority of über-rich people & companies only want to get richer & more
powerful, enough is never enough. Never enough market share or profit. Once
you have monopoly control of any given market it’s time to squeeze the
customers for more, control the resources to create artificial scarcity,
convince people they need more and more plastic pieces of shit in order to
be acceptable to the rest of society, move into other markets, lobby the
govt for more power, lower tax rates, less protection for consumers etc




What is sad is the part we all play in it
the system is the problem – the
Shitstem as Lydon calls it. What about this – trying to save some money for
retirement and then realising one day that you have money invested in funds
that cover dozens or hundreds of companies, more than you could ever keep
track of (index funds etc), some of which goes to companies that make
weapons, companies that lobby the politicians who are supposed to look after
our best interests to instead look after the interests of the rich ‘elite’,
companies that prey on people in 3rd world countries, paying them a pittance
for their labour, then as soon as they start to get some sort of increase in
their standard of living and demand higher wages, they move on and find
another country of impoverished people who are back at square one
and leave.



This is madness!



Seriously, you don’t need to be a depressive or hippie to bemoan the state
of things, in fact the more aware / enlightened you are, the more likely you
are to see how we’re living, how we could be living differently, and be
uneasy with the disjoint.



That’s what I’m referring to when I say that we live in a barbaric society.
And I feel justified in saying ‘we’ are barbaric, because of our general
lack of awareness, our participation and lack of resistance to the Shitstem,
how we allow ourselves to be manipulated, and how it’s our labour that gets
the job done. We’re not the brains we’re the stupid grunts.



I still strongly believe that the average person in the street is decent,
but largely unaware of the Matrix so to speak, and therefore the effect of
their actions, which they are led to believe are ethical and lawful.



Hence I’ve been going on about why haven’t all of us people who are aware of
the way things are done something about it, the power of boycott / lobby /
increasing awareness, by people all over the world behaving in such a way as
to negate as much as possible their default participation in the local
politico-economic system and function instead as part of an international
country




I mean fuck’s sake, at least we’d be able to come up with the world’s first
decent national anthem (I vote for Savage Freedom).



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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of folk devil
Sent: Sunday, 16 November 2008 11:06
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Worst Singers



Brendan I do understand what you mean, born of violence etc.. I was laughing
at the way people so venomously hated certain singers.. ;)
If we were raised in a completely passive/peaceful environment, would it
eradicate our emotions of anger, and become planet love puddle?
Also "we were all raised in a barbaric culture"! is a rather sweeping
generalisation in itself, no? Some of us have thankfully be raised to keep
an open-mind on what we experience, so the reaction doesn't have to be
barbaric ;)







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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:34:15 +1100
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Worst Singers

Okay, before I gear up for the beat-down Yos, are you serious
?

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: Sunday, 16 November 2008 06:35
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Worst Singers



Brendan, I oughta beat your head in for saying crap like "we were all
raised in a barbaric culture"!
Utter nonsense!

At 02:18 PM 11/15/2008, Brendan Quinn wrote:

So, after seeing the responses to this thread, who still thinks humans are
inherently 'nice'? LOL!

That’s a logical nonsense seeing as we were all raised in a barbaric
culture!


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>
mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of folk devil
Sent: Sunday, 16 November 2008 6:12 a.m.
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Worst Singers

So, after seeing the responses to this thread, who still thinks humans are
inherently 'nice'? LOL!

let it rise :P

And for all those Cuntry music fans..bloody rednecks! Music for Joe six pack
;)

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