[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[GREG SLAWSON]

Depends on how big the movement is...BUt I hope one day they'll be no need for either (everyone can get
stuff w/o $, and people can live where they want w/o lines on the map)...



Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:32:53 +0000From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project


How about all the people who are happy with money & countries? Will they just be forced to accept someone else's ideals ?

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSONSent: 14 November 2008 18:10To: gatheringSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus ProjectThe 2 things you said below--doing away w/money and counties--it my idea (and Progressive Labor Party's)platform for communism too...> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:30:45 +1300> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project> > I have sorta been expecting something like this ever since the web came> into being, or even email. Replication of memes is incredibly fast and> almost impossible to stop by the corporate lobby.> > They have some interesting ideas.> > I already agree that rational, intelligent, well educated, unbiased minds> (scientists in particular) should have far more say, over corporates,> politicians, the religious lobby etc. Irrational lobby groups have far too> much say.> > I agree that the military are an anachronism to a large extent (although> until every disarms, there's no way you could go whole hog in one> step...but the US pulling military out from o/s bases for example would be> a start...)> > I agree that as soon as you remove people from behind the wheel of cars> and implement a decent automated system, you'll basically kiss goodbye to> the road toll. As much as petrol heads will be annoyed (tough)> > What I find interesting is their idea that human nature is largely> irrelevant - it's the environment that dictates behaviour. In the absence> of scarcity, people tend to be nice and share with each other. With> scarcity and fear of scarcity, and hugely unequal distribution of wealth,> to the point that many don't even have the basics...you end up with> poverty, crime, poor health etc.> > Most of what they say makes perfect sense. I dunno about moving to a> system of no money (Jaz agrees), but I do like the idea of doing away with> countries.> > Interesting stuff, kind of what I've been harping on about for a while.> > Wonder how big their island is...?> > > > >> > who ever does their PR is rather good ;)> > they're all over the internets.."> >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:48:23 +1300From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.comTo:> > gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project> > http://au.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+refuted+1+of+10&search_type=&aq=0&oq=zeitgeist+refuted> >> > you checked out any of the anti-zeitgeist crowd? i got through a few> > minutes.....> >> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>> > wrote:> >> >> >> > So has anyone seen Zeitgeist: Addendum?> >> > Apart from the ridiculous idea of putting the word 'addendum' in a title> > (?!), I quite enjoyed it. And I'm intrigued by 'The Venus Project.' (Well> > mainly the part about self-replicating machines doing all the work I> > suppose…)> >> > www.thevenusproject.com> >> > They really need someone to proof-read their manifesto though, for a bunch> > of people espousing science over everything else, they can't write good.> >> > And it so should have been called Zeitgeist II: Zeit Geister.> > _______________________________________________Gathering mailing> > listGathering at misera.nethttp://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering--> > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been> > postponed indefinitely..."> > _________________________________________________________________> > Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.> > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008_______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >> > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

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