[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[ade]

How about all the people who are happy with money & countries? Will they just be forced to accept someone else's ideals ?

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
Sent: 14 November 2008 18:10
To: gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project


The 2 things you said below--doing away w/money and counties--it my idea (and Progressive Labor Party's)
platform for communism too...


> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:30:45 +1300

> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

> 

> I have sorta been expecting something like this ever since the web came

> into being, or even email. Replication of memes is incredibly fast and

> almost impossible to stop by the corporate lobby.

> 

> They have some interesting ideas.

> 

> I already agree that rational, intelligent, well educated, unbiased minds

> (scientists in particular) should have far more say, over corporates,

> politicians, the religious lobby etc. Irrational lobby groups have far too

> much say.

> 

> I agree that the military are an anachronism to a large extent (although

> until every disarms, there's no way you could go whole hog in one

> step...but the US pulling military out from o/s bases for example would be

> a start...)

> 

> I agree that as soon as you remove people from behind the wheel of cars

> and implement a decent automated system, you'll basically kiss goodbye to

> the road toll. As much as petrol heads will be annoyed (tough)

> 

> What I find interesting is their idea that human nature is largely

> irrelevant - it's the environment that dictates behaviour. In the absence

> of scarcity, people tend to be nice and share with each other. With

> scarcity and fear of scarcity, and hugely unequal distribution of wealth,

> to the point that many don't even have the basics...you end up with

> poverty, crime, poor health etc.

> 

> Most of what they say makes perfect sense. I dunno about moving to a

> system of no money (Jaz agrees), but I do like the idea of doing away with

> countries.

> 

> Interesting stuff, kind of what I've been harping on about for a while.

> 

> Wonder how big their island is...?

> 

> 

> 

> >

> > who ever does their PR is rather good ;)

> > they're all over the internets.."

> >

> >

> >

> > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:48:23 +1300From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.comTo:

> > gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

> > http://au.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+refuted+1+of+10&search_type=&aq=0&oq=zeitgeist+refuted

> >

> > you checked out any of the anti-zeitgeist crowd? i got through a few

> > minutes.....

> >

> >

> >

> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > So has anyone seen Zeitgeist: Addendum?

> >

> > Apart from the ridiculous idea of putting the word 'addendum' in a title

> > (?!), I quite enjoyed it. And I'm intrigued by 'The Venus Project.' (Well

> > mainly the part about self-replicating machines doing all the work I

> > suppose…)

> >

> > www.thevenusproject.com

> >

> > They really need someone to proof-read their manifesto though, for a bunch

> > of people espousing science over everything else, they can't write good.

> >

> > And it so should have been called Zeitgeist II: Zeit Geister.

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