[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[Brendan]

Okay devil's advocate says:

Yeah I suppose millions of deaths through starvation, wars, massive
inequalities in recources, human rights abuses etc are a small price to
pay to keep a minority of blinkered insecure people happy at reinforcing
their differences with everyone else by associating with some idea of
nationality.

/advocate off

I dunno, there's lots a ways to transition to a new form of society.  It
wouldn't be inconveivable that you could affiliate with a group such as
this, and support them in every way possible within the laws of your
country...by donations, power of boycott, lobbying etc, and in effect
you're more a citizen of the new society than the one you're operating in.
Over time if that form of society is any better and more efficient a
decent % of people would see that their lot would be better if they joined
that group, and make the move.

Those that are able.

Dunno, just the way I see it.


> How about all the people who are happy with money & countries? Will they

> just be forced to accept someone else's ideals ?

>

> -----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSONSent: 14

> November 2008 18:10To: gatheringSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus ProjectThe

> 2 things you said below--doing away w/money and counties--it my idea (and

> Progressive Labor Party's)platform for communism too...> Date: Sat, 15 Nov

> 2008 06:30:45 +1300> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To:

> gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project> > I have

> sorta been expecting something like this ever since the web came> into

> being, or even email. Replication of memes is incredibly fast and> almost

> impossible to stop by the corporate lobby.> > They have some interesting

> ideas.> > I already agree that rational, intelligent, well educated,

> unbiased minds> (scientists in particular) should have far more say, over

> corporates,> politicians, the religious lobby etc. Irrational lobby groups

> have far too> much say.> > I agree that the military are an anachronism to

> a large extent (although> until every disarms, there's no way you could go

> whole hog in one> step...but the US pulling military out from o/s bases

> for example would be> a start...)> > I agree that as soon as you remove

> people from behind the wheel of cars> and implement a decent automated

> system, you'll basically kiss goodbye to> the road toll. As much as petrol

> heads will be annoyed (tough)> > What I find interesting is their idea

> that human nature is largely> irrelevant - it's the environment that

> dictates behaviour. In the absence> of scarcity, people tend to be nice

> and share with each other. With> scarcity and fear of scarcity, and hugely

> unequal distribution of wealth,> to the point that many don't even have

> the basics...you end up with> poverty, crime, poor health etc.> > Most of

> what they say makes perfect sense. I dunno about moving to a> system of no

> money (Jaz agrees), but I do like the idea of doing away with> countries.>

> > Interesting stuff, kind of what I've been harping on about for a while.>

> > Wonder how big their island is...?> > > > >> > who ever does their PR is

> rather good ;)> > they're all over the internets.."> >> >> >> > Date: Fri,

> 14 Nov 2008 18:48:23 +1300From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.comTo:> >

> gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project> >

> http://au.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+refuted+1+of+10&search_type=&aq=0&oq=zeitgeist+refuted>

> >> > you checked out any of the anti-zeitgeist crowd? i got through a few>

> > minutes.....> >> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brendan Quinn

> <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>> > wrote:> >> >> >> > So has anyone seen

> Zeitgeist: Addendum?> >> > Apart from the ridiculous idea of putting the

> word 'addendum' in a title> > (?!), I quite enjoyed it. And I'm intrigued

> by 'The Venus Project.' (Well> > mainly the part about self-replicating

> machines doing all the work I> > suppose

)> >> > www.thevenusproject.com>

> >> > They really need someone to proof-read their manifesto though, for a

> bunch> > of people espousing science over everything else, they can't

> write good.> >> > And it so should have been called Zeitgeist II: Zeit

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