[kj] Dutch

[Karen Weil]

Hey, it's a free country. Get riled up all you like!

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Cheers,

k.w.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah's Putrefying Kunt" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch



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> --- On Wed, 29/10/08, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

>

>> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

>> <gathering at misera.net>

>> Date: Wednesday, 29 October, 2008, 9:43 PM

>> Maybe the need to categorise is a by-product of how our

>> brains work?

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil

>> Sent: 29 October 2008 17:29

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

>>

>>

>> Nationality is a myth.

>> It just keeps you neat and tidy in your box, even when it

>> cannot represent every Culture contained inside.

>>

>>

>> ""

>>

>> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com

>> > To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net

>> > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:10:34 -0700

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

>> >

>> > OK, Change: Settle down. I say it only in a general

>> sense. And guess what? I

>> > actually think that about *most* people -- regardless

>> of nationality, etc.

>> >

>> > Respectfully,

>> >

>> > k.w.

>> > (open-minded American)

>> >

>> > ----- Original Message ----- 

>> > From: "Change"

>> <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> band!)"

>> > <gathering at misera.net>

>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:46 AM

>> > Subject: [kj] Dutch

>> >

>> >

>> > > ALL the Dutch are good people?

>> > >

>> > > That seems a simplisitic view...

>> > >

>> > >> From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo:

>> gathering at misera.netDate: Tue,

>> > >> 28 Oct 2008 10:27:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj]

>> Nice Streets

>> > >> Below: How We Wait in Europe

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >> Dank u wel for your input, Jerry. The Dutch

>> are good people

>> > >> (but sorry about your one experience there!)

>> And I

>> > >> couldn't agree with you about judging an

>> entire

>> > >> group/city/nation, etc. based on the actions

>> of a few jerks.

>> > >> It only leads to no good.

>> > >>

>> > >> Anyway, tot ziens!

>> > >>

>> > >> k.w.

>> > >>

>> > >> ----- Original Message ----- 

>> > >> From: jerry bodkin

>> > >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> band!)

>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:48 AM

>> > >> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets Below: How We

>> Wait in Europe

>> > >> Holland is a lovely country and the Dutch are

>> a lovely

>> > >> people, ive been there several times

>> including once for just

>> > >> 12 hours(10 of them in a police cell) but

>> we'll leave

>> > >> that there! France too is a beautiful

>> beautiful place and

>> > >> the people there too are lovely once you make

>> an effort with

>> > >> them. i.e. try at least to speak the

>> language. Give me

>> > >> Europe any day. Too often we judge an entire

>> race on

>> > >> individual behaviour, my God, what must most

>> of the world

>> > >> think of us English. Jelala.

>> > >>

>> > >> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com> To:

>> > >> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk;

>> gathering at misera.net> Date:

>> > >> Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:50 -0700> Subject:

>> Re: [kj] Nice

>> > >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> >

>> Hi,

>> > >> Change:> > Appreciate your thoughts on

>> Belgium;

>> > >> it's a fine place. Germany also offers

>> > so much, and

>> > >> has a very strong avant-guarde scene.>

>> However, I have to

>> > >> take issue with your comments about the Dutch

>> and >

>> > >> Europe. If anything, the Dutch have a totally

>> different

>> > >> attitude when it > comes to languages;

>> that's why so

>> > >> many of them speak three or four of them.

>> > Whatever

>> > >> differences they may have with their European

>> neighbors; I

>> > >> really > don't think the English issue

>> plays a great

>> > >> role.> And while Paris is outrageously

>> expensive (I was

>> > >> there in May; and believe > me, it was no

>> fun coming from

>> > >> a country where the currency is in the >

>> toilet!), I

>> > >> really can't agree with your observations

>> about the

>> > >> French, > either. (Although I will concur

>> about their

>> > >> love of Wire!)> But at any rate, enjoy

>> travelling -- veel

>> > >> plezier, as the Dutch say!> >

>> Groetjes,> >

>> > >> k.w.> > ----- Original Message -----

>> > From:

>> > >> "Change"

>> <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>

>> > >> To: "A list about all things Killing

>> Joke (the

>> > >> band!)" >

>> <gathering at misera.net>> Sent:

>> > >> Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:53 AM>

>> Subject: [kj] Nice

>> > >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> >

>> > > How

>> > >> nice it was to escape this ever more petty

>> joke of a nation,

>> > >> occupied > > as it has been by the USA

>> since WW2. If

>> > >> you want to get away from this > >

>> rotten island then

>> > >> a great place to go is Belgium. Its not too

>> far by > >

>> > >> coach through the tunnel. Brussels is

>> beautiful. The streets

>> > >> smell of > > coffee and chocolate, the

>> people are

>> > >> jolly and kind and there is great art >

>> > everywhere.

>> > >> No wonder Colin and Malka made it their home.

>> There are also

>> > >> > > lots of Belgians with little noses

>> straight out of

>> > >> a Tintin book. The food > > and beer

>> are amazing. I

>> > >> thought Brussels was wonderful but then I

>> made it > >

>> > >> to Ghent and was pretty damn glad the trams

>> had been aborted

>> > >> by a flower > > festival because I

>> walked along the

>> > >> canal to get back to the station and >

>> > realised that

>> > >> this is architecturally the most beautiful

>> city I have seen.

>> > >> > > I haven't made it to Prague yet

>> though!

>> > >> Antwerp looks like a low rent > >

>> Barcelona copy, in

>> > >> the same way Manchester tries to be European

>> but always >

>> > >> > ends up looking like> > a

>> post-industrial dump.

>> > >> Tilberg is very boxy but the people were

>> partying > >

>> > >> hard and late and the Dutch all seem to think

>> the rest of

>> > >> Europe is crap > > just because they

>> don't all

>> > >> speak perfect English! "Those crazy

>> Dutch!" >

>> > >> > said Lewis but I can't remember why.

>> Maybe it was

>> > >> something to do with the > > hotel WIRE

>> rejected in

>> > >> Tilburg. Margaret the guitarist said it was

>> so > >

>> > >> grotty she didn't even want to put her

>> bag down in it

>> > >> let alone sleep in > > it!> >>

>> > Berlin is

>> > >> a great place to explore, full of impressive

>> sites and large

>> > >> > > enough to spend years there I'd

>> warrant.

>> > >> Tiergarten is the largest and > > most

>> lovely park

>> > >> I've ever strolled through. German venues

>> also make a

>> > >> > > mockery of British ones in terms of

>> the sound.>

>> > >> >> > Strasbourg has a fine market

>> where I found a

>> > >> sabre for a mere twenty > > euros, a

>> light sabre for

>> > >> two euros and a tiny plastic Obelix for

>> twenty > >

>> > >> cents. Lewis loves the trams, but the modern

>> art gallery,

>> > >> watched over by > > one of

>> Lovecraft's Forgotten

>> > >> Ones, is even better. I spent too long there

>> > > so

>> > >> got to Paris 23 minutes too late. My Cologne

>> friend Dirk

>> > >> from the > > Gathering reckons

>> Strasbourg is cool

>> > >> because of the huge German influence. >

>> > Cancel your

>> > >> order, crossing the border, changing the

>> menu!> >>

>> > >> > The Eyefull tower is good for a stroll

>> but Paris is

>> > >> full of too many slow > > people and

>> the prices are

>> > >> obscene. Jus d'orange? Mai non je pense

>> que je > >

>> > >> WAIT until ich gehe zu Belqigue! Paris hotels

>> are the worst.

>> > >> Unlike > > Germany and Belgium, the

>> beer is worse than

>> > >> Britain. French computer > > keyboards

>> were designed

>> > >> by a retard and the showers go some way to

>> > >

>> > >> explaining why the English have often mocked

>> the French for

>> > >> being > > hygenically challenged. The

>> redeeming

>> > >> feature of the French is that many > >

>> of them seem to

>> > >> really love WIRE and gave the most

>> enthusiastic response

>> > >> > > of any crowds on this tour.>

>> >> >

>> > >> Anyway this was the route of my rail and road

>> trip:>

>> > >> >> > I arrived in beautiful Brussels

>> in the middle

>> > >> of some kind of medieval > > WARDANCE

>> pageant. I had

>> > >> time to visit the city's most mainstream

>> record >

>> > >> > store just opposite Ancienne Belquique

>> which Killing

>> > >> Joke would conquer by > > and by. I was

>> rewarded by

>> > >> finding a copy of one of the few PJ HARVEY

>> > > singles

>> > >> I didn't yet possess, 'A PLACE CALLED

>> HOME.'>

>> > >> >> > After a couple of hours I

>> caught the train to

>> > >> gorgeous Ghent for the WIRE > > gig at

>> Democrazy.>

>> > >> >> > Next day I took trains via

>> Antwerp and a bus

>> > >> NORTH OF THE BORDER to > > Tilburg just

>> in time to

>> > >> catch the seismic riffin' PELICAN and

>> Dutch > >

>> > >> hardcore heroes SEEIN' RED before WIRE

>> blasted off at

>> > >> around 7pm. Later I > > was also

>> entertained by the

>> > >> double breasted PRE and a Satanic black metal

>> > > band

>> > >> who gave the crowd the finger for watching

>> them, all of

>> > >> which was > > unexpected.> >>

>> > On

>> > >> returning to Brussels I witnessed a lovely

>> WIRE gig at La

>> > >> Botanique, a > > venue which could

>> verily call itself

>> > >> NICE STREETS ABOVE if it so desired. >

>> > I struck up

>> > >> conversation with a charming photographer and

>> graphic

>> > >> designer > > called Violette who sent

>> me eight great

>> > >> photos of WIRE from the gig.> >>

>> > After the gig

>> > >> I had to START TO MOVE pretty sharp and

>> jumped on the night

>> > >> > > train where I was entertained by

>> conversation with

>> > >> a former theatre > > director who had

>> just aborted a

>> > >> trip to Turkey. He recommended a trip to >

>> >

>> > >> Tiergarten which proved very good advice. My

>> first police

>> > >> encounter was > > with two cops on the

>> Ostbahnhof

>> > >> platform who took a rather long time >

>> > checking to

>> > >> find out if Interpol have a warrant out on me

>> for listening

>> > >> to > > music in my living room. Berlin

>> is also very

>> > >> cool and well worth a visit > > in its

>> own right, but

>> > >> smells worse than Brussels.> >> >

>> The first

>> > >> night was free before the arrival of KILLING

>> JOKE so I

>> > >> checked > > out the SO36 venue where

>> they and WIRE

>> > >> played, which was immortalised in a > >

>> song on the

>> > >> first KILLING JOKE album. The sound was

>> excellent as are all

>> > >> > > other German venues I've ever

>> been to. The

>> > >> soundman played KILLING JOKE > > before

>> the headline

>> > >> act, a comedy punk trio who weren't very

>> funny but >

>> > >> > probably liked DEVO. We talked after the

>> gig and I run

>> > >> into him again at > > the KILLING JOKE

>> gigs.>

>> > >> >> > After the amazing KILLING JOKE

>> regeneration in

>> > >> Berlin, with Big Paul's > > drum

>> kit illuminated

>> > >> and smoking ritualistically, I planned to

>> head to > >

>> > >> Paris to see them there. The train times were

>> TOO LATE so at

>> > >> the last > > minute I rerouted to

>> Strasbourg for more

>> > >> WIRE and this proved a wise > > choice

>> as the COMET

>> > >> hit very late and I caught the whole set in

>> front of a >

>> > >> > very young and enthusiastic crowd at a

>> festival that

>> > >> went on until 6am. > > Next day my

>> second run in with

>> > >> cops was with two French transport police

>> > > who ask

>> > >> me to wrap up my sword so that it

>> couldn't be seen

>> > >> before I caught > > the train.>

>> >> > Paris

>> > >> next for more WIRE, on a first class train

>> where I started

>> > >> downing > > some of the left over

>> Heineken from last

>> > >> night's rider and upset a French >

>> > idiot who had

>> > >> a tantrum because I couldn't stop

>> belching even when she

>> > >> > > kicked my chair. She complained to

>> the guard and

>> > >> he clearly thought it was > > a bit

>> silly having to

>> > >> ask me not to belch when I couldn't help

>> it. In the >

>> > >> > end she started complaining I was

>> playing the BUTTHOLE

>> > >> SURFERS too loud on > > my headphones

>> and he came

>> > >> back, again embarrassed, to ask me to turn it

>> > >

>> > >> down. Then she had a stroke of genius and

>> moved to another

>> > >> seat. Perhaps > > its a good job the

>> sword was

>> > >> wrapped!> > If you ever feel like going

>> to Paris my

>> > >> advice is don't bother. Go in a > >

>> cafe that

>> > >> advertises coffee for a Euro and they greasy

>> waiters will

>> > >> > > chearge you five.> >> >

>> It was nice to

>> > >> speed back to Belgium and Brussels which was

>> already >

>> > >> > seeming like a second home. I found many

>> cool CDs in

>> > >> the shops, including > > quite

>> appropriately

>> > >> COMMERCIAL SUICIDE. Being there for three

>> days I had >

>> > >> > plenty of time to explore and each day

>> surpassed the

>> > >> previous one. I met > > so many great

>> people in

>> > >> Belgium I felt like moving there!>

>> >> > My

>> > >> favourite songs to listen to on a speeding

>> train were>

>> > >> > KILLING JOKE - Pssyche> > WIRE -

>> Drill (DJ

>> > >> Fuckoff Version)> > oh dear the

>> moderate Craig

>> > >> won't like that will he?> > KILLING

>> JOKE -

>> > >> Timewave> > PJ HARVEY - Taut> >

>> EINSTURZENDE

>> > >> NEUBAUTEN - Haus Der Lauge> > BAND OF

>> SUSANS - Guitar

>> > >> Trio> > KILLING JOKE - Empire Song>

>> > WIRE -

>> > >> Germ Ship> > WIRE - Spent> >

>> BUTTHOLE SURFERS -

>> > >> Who was in my room last night?> >>

>> > Back home

>> > >> after another awesome double dose of the

>> mighty JOKE I had a

>> > >> day > > of rest and didn't even

>> have time enough

>> > >> to notice what a terminal dump > >

>> Manchester is

>> > >> because the MELVINS wheeled in to rock the

>> town and give me

>> > >> > > a chance to catch up with lots of

>> old friends.

>> > >> That is the great thing > > about

>> Manchester, lots of

>> > >> good gigs.> >> > Next day I was

>> off again to

>> > >> London for the KILLING JOKE homecoming and as

>> > >

>> > >> chaotic synchronicity would have it, THALIA

>> ZEDEK and her

>> > >> band began their > > tour the very next

>> day. She's

>> > >> a brilliant intense songwriter. Check her

>> > > out

>> > >> while you still can...> >> >

>> > >> www.myspace.com/thaliazedek> >> >

>> Her tour ends

>> > >> on October 23 at La Botanique in

>> Brussels!> >> >

>> > >> I went to all the THALIA ZEDEK BAND gigs in

>> England and

>> > >> after the best one > > at Hull Adelphi

>> I had to zoom

>> > >> down to Cheam in Surrey for my younger >

>> >

>> > >> sister's wedding. The lavish reception

>> was held on a

>> > >> Territorial Army base > > but my uncles

>> and I resisted

>> > >> the temptation to hijack a tank. One thing I

>> > > gave

>> > >> her was a copy of 'UH HUH HER' by PJ

>> HARVEY as

>> > >> "The Desperate Kingdom > > of

>> Love"

>> > >> couldn't really be a better song to wish

>> for a long

>> > >> loving > > marriage, at the end of this

>> burning

>> > >> world.> >> > Then I went home to

>> transcribe

>> > >> interesting interviews with MAGAZINE and >

>> > WIRE,

>> > >> blow up some more stereo speakers, and wait

>> for civilization

>> > >> to fall > > in its grave.> >>

>> >

>> > >> ACCELERATE> > ACCELERATE> >>

>> >>

>> > >> >> >> >> >> >

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