[kj] Free Dumb

[Sarah's Putrefying Kunt]

Which country is FREE?

Is it like the bank sale,
buy one country get one free?

I think G. Brown the shit PM is negotiating something along those lines with the Saudis. Not the same ones who flew the planes into the WTC I hope!

--- On Tue, 4/11/08, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:


> From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

> To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

> Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 1:53 AM

> Hey, it's a free country. Get riled up all you like!

> : )

> 

> Cheers,

> 

> k.w.

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: "Sarah's Putrefying Kunt"

> <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)" 

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:44 AM

> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

> 

> 

> > Why the hell should I

> > "settle down" ???

> >

> > RTX, Kristin Hersh, Githead, Shellac, Michael Gira,

> > The Dirty Three & Genesis P-Orridge

> > interviewed here:

> > http://www.perfectsoundforever.com

> >

> > Republicans Out Forever!

> >

> >

> > --- On Wed, 29/10/08, ade

> <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

> >

> >> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>

> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke

> (the band!)" 

> >> <gathering at misera.net>

> >> Date: Wednesday, 29 October, 2008, 9:43 PM

> >> Maybe the need to categorise is a by-product of

> how our

> >> brains work?

> >>

> >> -----Original Message-----

> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> >> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of

> folk devil

> >> Sent: 29 October 2008 17:29

> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)

> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

> >>

> >>

> >> Nationality is a myth.

> >> It just keeps you neat and tidy in your box, even

> when it

> >> cannot represent every Culture contained inside.

> >>

> >>

> >> ""

> >>

> >> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com

> >> > To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk;

> gathering at misera.net

> >> > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:10:34 -0700

> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

> >> >

> >> > OK, Change: Settle down. I say it only in a

> general

> >> sense. And guess what? I

> >> > actually think that about *most* people --

> regardless

> >> of nationality, etc.

> >> >

> >> > Respectfully,

> >> >

> >> > k.w.

> >> > (open-minded American)

> >> >

> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 

> >> > From: "Change"

> >> <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

> >> > To: "A list about all things Killing

> Joke (the

> >> band!)"

> >> > <gathering at misera.net>

> >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:46 AM

> >> > Subject: [kj] Dutch

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > > ALL the Dutch are good people?

> >> > >

> >> > > That seems a simplisitic view...

> >> > >

> >> > >> From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo:

> >> gathering at misera.netDate: Tue,

> >> > >> 28 Oct 2008 10:27:45 -0700Subject:

> Re: [kj]

> >> Nice Streets

> >> > >> Below: How We Wait in Europe

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Dank u wel for your input, Jerry.

> The Dutch

> >> are good people

> >> > >> (but sorry about your one experience

> there!)

> >> And I

> >> > >> couldn't agree with you about

> judging an

> >> entire

> >> > >> group/city/nation, etc. based on the

> actions

> >> of a few jerks.

> >> > >> It only leads to no good.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Anyway, tot ziens!

> >> > >>

> >> > >> k.w.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- 

> >> > >> From: jerry bodkin

> >> > >> To: A list about all things Killing

> Joke (the

> >> band!)

> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008

> 12:48 AM

> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets

> Below: How We

> >> Wait in Europe

> >> > >> Holland is a lovely country and the

> Dutch are

> >> a lovely

> >> > >> people, ive been there several times

> >> including once for just

> >> > >> 12 hours(10 of them in a police

> cell) but

> >> we'll leave

> >> > >> that there! France too is a

> beautiful

> >> beautiful place and

> >> > >> the people there too are lovely once

> you make

> >> an effort with

> >> > >> them. i.e. try at least to speak the

> >> language. Give me

> >> > >> Europe any day. Too often we judge

> an entire

> >> race on

> >> > >> individual behaviour, my God, what

> must most

> >> of the world

> >> > >> think of us English. Jelala.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com>

> To:

> >> > >> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk;

> >> gathering at misera.net> Date:

> >> > >> Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:50 -0700>

> Subject:

> >> Re: [kj] Nice

> >> > >> Streets Below: How We Wait in

> Europe> >

> >> Hi,

> >> > >> Change:> > Appreciate your

> thoughts on

> >> Belgium;

> >> > >> it's a fine place. Germany also

> offers

> >> > so much, and

> >> > >> has a very strong avant-guarde

> scene.>

> >> However, I have to

> >> > >> take issue with your comments about

> the Dutch

> >> and >

> >> > >> Europe. If anything, the Dutch have

> a totally

> >> different

> >> > >> attitude when it > comes to

> languages;

> >> that's why so

> >> > >> many of them speak three or four of

> them.

> >> > Whatever

> >> > >> differences they may have with their

> European

> >> neighbors; I

> >> > >> really > don't think the

> English issue

> >> plays a great

> >> > >> role.> And while Paris is

> outrageously

> >> expensive (I was

> >> > >> there in May; and believe > me,

> it was no

> >> fun coming from

> >> > >> a country where the currency is in

> the >

> >> toilet!), I

> >> > >> really can't agree with your

> observations

> >> about the

> >> > >> French, > either. (Although I

> will concur

> >> about their

> >> > >> love of Wire!)> But at any rate,

> enjoy

> >> travelling -- veel

> >> > >> plezier, as the Dutch say!> >

> >> Groetjes,> >

> >> > >> k.w.> > ----- Original Message

> -----

> >> > From:

> >> > >> "Change"

> >> <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>

> >> > >> To: "A list about all things

> Killing

> >> Joke (the

> >> > >> band!)" >

> >> <gathering at misera.net>> Sent:

> >> > >> Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:53

> AM>

> >> Subject: [kj] Nice

> >> > >> Streets Below: How We Wait in

> Europe> >

> >> > > How

> >> > >> nice it was to escape this ever more

> petty

> >> joke of a nation,

> >> > >> occupied > > as it has been by

> the USA

> >> since WW2. If

> >> > >> you want to get away from this >

> >

> >> rotten island then

> >> > >> a great place to go is Belgium. Its

> not too

> >> far by > >

> >> > >> coach through the tunnel. Brussels

> is

> >> beautiful. The streets

> >> > >> smell of > > coffee and

> chocolate, the

> >> people are

> >> > >> jolly and kind and there is great

> art >

> >> > everywhere.

> >> > >> No wonder Colin and Malka made it

> their home.

> >> There are also

> >> > >> > > lots of Belgians with

> little noses

> >> straight out of

> >> > >> a Tintin book. The food > >

> and beer

> >> are amazing. I

> >> > >> thought Brussels was wonderful but

> then I

> >> made it > >

> >> > >> to Ghent and was pretty damn glad

> the trams

> >> had been aborted

> >> > >> by a flower > > festival

> because I

> >> walked along the

> >> > >> canal to get back to the station and

> >

> >> > realised that

> >> > >> this is architecturally the most

> beautiful

> >> city I have seen.

> >> > >> > > I haven't made it to

> Prague yet

> >> though!

> >> > >> Antwerp looks like a low rent >

> >

> >> Barcelona copy, in

> >> > >> the same way Manchester tries to be

> European

> >> but always >

> >> > >> > ends up looking like> > a

> >> post-industrial dump.

> >> > >> Tilberg is very boxy but the people

> were

> >> partying > >

> >> > >> hard and late and the Dutch all seem

> to think

> >> the rest of

> >> > >> Europe is crap > > just

> because they

> >> don't all

> >> > >> speak perfect English! "Those

> crazy

> >> Dutch!" >

> >> > >> > said Lewis but I can't

> remember why.

> >> Maybe it was

> >> > >> something to do with the > >

> hotel WIRE

> >> rejected in

> >> > >> Tilburg. Margaret the guitarist said

> it was

> >> so > >

> >> > >> grotty she didn't even want to

> put her

> >> bag down in it

> >> > >> let alone sleep in > > it!>

> >>

> >> > Berlin is

> >> > >> a great place to explore, full of

> impressive

> >> sites and large

> >> > >> > > enough to spend years

> there I'd

> >> warrant.

> >> > >> Tiergarten is the largest and >

> > most

> >> lovely park

> >> > >> I've ever strolled through.

> German venues

> >> also make a

> >> > >> > > mockery of British ones in

> terms of

> >> the sound.>

> >> > >> >> > Strasbourg has a fine

> market

> >> where I found a

> >> > >> sabre for a mere twenty > >

> euros, a

> >> light sabre for

> >> > >> two euros and a tiny plastic Obelix

> for

> >> twenty > >

> >> > >> cents. Lewis loves the trams, but

> the modern

> >> art gallery,

> >> > >> watched over by > > one of

> >> Lovecraft's Forgotten

> >> > >> Ones, is even better. I spent too

> long there

> >> > > so

> >> > >> got to Paris 23 minutes too late. My

> Cologne

> >> friend Dirk

> >> > >> from the > > Gathering reckons

> >> Strasbourg is cool

> >> > >> because of the huge German

> influence. >

> >> > Cancel your

> >> > >> order, crossing the border, changing

> the

> >> menu!> >>

> >> > >> > The Eyefull tower is good for a

> stroll

> >> but Paris is

> >> > >> full of too many slow > >

> people and

> >> the prices are

> >> > >> obscene. Jus d'orange? Mai non

> je pense

> >> que je > >

> >> > >> WAIT until ich gehe zu Belqigue!

> Paris hotels

> >> are the worst.

> >> > >> Unlike > > Germany and

> Belgium, the

> >> beer is worse than

> >> > >> Britain. French computer > >

> keyboards

> >> were designed

> >> > >> by a retard and the showers go some

> way to

> >> > >

> >> > >> explaining why the English have

> often mocked

> >> the French for

> >> > >> being > > hygenically

> challenged. The

> >> redeeming

> >> > >> feature of the French is that many

> > >

> >> of them seem to

> >> > >> really love WIRE and gave the most

> >> enthusiastic response

> >> > >> > > of any crowds on this

> tour.>

> >> >> >

> >> > >> Anyway this was the route of my rail

> and road

> >> trip:>

> >> > >> >> > I arrived in beautiful

> Brussels

> >> in the middle

> >> > >> of some kind of medieval > >

> WARDANCE

> >> pageant. I had

> >> > >> time to visit the city's most

> mainstream

> >> record >

> >> > >> > store just opposite Ancienne

> Belquique

> >> which Killing

> >> > >> Joke would conquer by > > and

> by. I was

> >> rewarded by

> >> > >> finding a copy of one of the few PJ

> HARVEY

> >> > > singles

> >> > >> I didn't yet possess, 'A

> PLACE CALLED

> >> HOME.'>

> >> > >> >> > After a couple of

> hours I

> >> caught the train to

> >> > >> gorgeous Ghent for the WIRE >

> > gig at

> >> Democrazy.>

> >> > >> >> > Next day I took trains

> via

> >> Antwerp and a bus

> >> > >> NORTH OF THE BORDER to > >

> Tilburg just

> >> in time to

> >> > >> catch the seismic riffin'

> PELICAN and

> >> Dutch > >

> >> > >> hardcore heroes SEEIN' RED

> before WIRE

> >> blasted off at

> >> > >> around 7pm. Later I > > was

> also

> >> entertained by the

> >> > >> double breasted PRE and a Satanic

> black metal

> >> > > band

> >> > >> who gave the crowd the finger for

> watching

> >> them, all of

> >> > >> which was > > unexpected.>

> >>

> >> > On

> >> > >> returning to Brussels I witnessed a

> lovely

> >> WIRE gig at La

> >> > >> Botanique, a > > venue which

> could

> >> verily call itself

> >> > >> NICE STREETS ABOVE if it so desired.

> >

> >> > I struck up

> >> > >> conversation with a charming

> photographer and

> >> graphic

> >> > >> designer > > called Violette

> who sent

> >> me eight great

> >> > >> photos of WIRE from the gig.>

> >>

> >> > After the gig

> >> > >> I had to START TO MOVE pretty sharp

> and

> >> jumped on the night

> >> > >> > > train where I was

> entertained by

> >> conversation with

> >> > >> a former theatre > > director

> who had

> >> just aborted a

> >> > >> trip to Turkey. He recommended a

> trip to >

> >> >

> >> > >> Tiergarten which proved very good

> advice. My

> >> first police

> >> > >> encounter was > > with two

> cops on the

> >> Ostbahnhof

> >> > >> platform who took a rather long time

> >

> >> > checking to

> >> > >> find out if Interpol have a warrant

> out on me

> >> for listening

> >> > >> to > > music in my living

> room. Berlin

> >> is also very

> >> > >> cool and well worth a visit >

> > in its

> >> own right, but

> >> > >> smells worse than Brussels.>

> >> >

> >> The first

> >> > >> night was free before the arrival of

> KILLING

> >> JOKE so I

> >> > >> checked > > out the SO36 venue

> where

> >> they and WIRE

> >> > >> played, which was immortalised in a

> > >

> >> song on the

> >> > >> first KILLING JOKE album. The sound

> was

> >> excellent as are all

> >> > >> > > other German venues

> I've ever

> >> been to. The

> >> > >> soundman played KILLING JOKE >

> > before

> >> the headline

> >> > >> act, a comedy punk trio who

> weren't very

> >> funny but >

> >> > >> > probably liked DEVO. We talked

> after the

> >> gig and I run

> >> > >> into him again at > > the

> KILLING JOKE

> >> gigs.>

> >> > >> >> > After the amazing

> KILLING JOKE

> >> regeneration in

> >> > >> Berlin, with Big Paul's >

> > drum

> >> kit illuminated

> >> > >> and smoking ritualistically, I

> planned to

> >> head to > >

> >> > >> Paris to see them there. The train

> times were

> >> TOO LATE so at

> >> > >> the last > > minute I rerouted

> to

> >> Strasbourg for more

> >> > >> WIRE and this proved a wise >

> > choice

> >> as the COMET

> >> > >> hit very late and I caught the whole

> set in

> >> front of a >

> >> > >> > very young and enthusiastic

> crowd at a

> >> festival that

> >> > >> went on until 6am. > > Next

> day my

> >> second run in with

> >> > >> cops was with two French transport

> police

> >> > > who ask

> >> > >> me to wrap up my sword so that it

> >> couldn't be seen

> >> > >> before I caught > > the

> train.>

> >> >> > Paris

> >> > >> next for more WIRE, on a first class

> train

> >> where I started

> >> > >> downing > > some of the left

> over

> >> Heineken from last

> >> > >> night's rider and upset a French

> >

> >> > idiot who had

> >> > >> a tantrum because I couldn't

> stop

> >> belching even when she

> >> > >> > > kicked my chair. She

> complained to

> >> the guard and

> >> > >> he clearly thought it was > >

> a bit

> >> silly having to

> >> > >> ask me not to belch when I

> couldn't help

> >> it. In the >

> >> > >> > end she started complaining I

> was

> >> playing the BUTTHOLE

> >> > >> SURFERS too loud on > > my

> headphones

> >> and he came

> >> > >> back, again embarrassed, to ask me

> to turn it

> >> > >

> >> > >> down. Then she had a stroke of

> genius and

> >> moved to another

> >> > >> seat. Perhaps > > its a good

> job the

> >> sword was

> >> > >> wrapped!> > If you ever feel

> like going

> >> to Paris my

> >> > >> advice is don't bother. Go in a

> > >

> >> cafe that

> >> > >> advertises coffee for a Euro and

> they greasy

> >> waiters will

> >> > >> > > chearge you five.>

> >> >

> >> It was nice to

> >> > >> speed back to Belgium and Brussels

> which was

> >> already >

> >> > >> > seeming like a second home. I

> found many

> >> cool CDs in

> >> > >> the shops, including > > quite

> >> appropriately

> >> > >> COMMERCIAL SUICIDE. Being there for

> three

> >> days I had >

> >> > >> > plenty of time to explore and

> each day

> >> surpassed the

> >> > >> previous one. I met > > so

> many great

> >> people in

> >> > >> Belgium I felt like moving

> there!>

> >> >> > My

> >> > >> favourite songs to listen to on a

> speeding

> >> train were>

> >> > >> > KILLING JOKE - Pssyche> >

> WIRE -

> >> Drill (DJ

> >> > >> Fuckoff Version)> > oh dear

> the

> >> moderate Craig

> >> > >> won't like that will he?>

> > KILLING

> >> JOKE -

> >> > >> Timewave> > PJ HARVEY -

> Taut> >

> >> EINSTURZENDE

> >> > >> NEUBAUTEN - Haus Der Lauge> >

> BAND OF

> >> SUSANS - Guitar

> >> > >> Trio> > KILLING JOKE - Empire

> Song>

> >> > WIRE -

> >> > >> Germ Ship> > WIRE - Spent>

> >

> >> BUTTHOLE SURFERS -

> >> > >> Who was in my room last night?>

> >>

> >> > Back home

> >> > >> after another awesome double dose of

> the

> >> mighty JOKE I had a

> >> > >> day > > of rest and didn't

> even

> >> have time enough

> >> > >> to notice what a terminal dump >

> >

> >> Manchester is

> >> > >> because the MELVINS wheeled in to

> rock the

> >> town and give me

> >> > >> > > a chance to catch up with

> lots of

> >> old friends.

> >> > >> That is the great thing > >

> about

> >> Manchester, lots of

> >> > >> good gigs.> >> > Next

> day I was

> >> off again to

> >> > >> London for the KILLING JOKE

> homecoming and as

> >> > >

> >> > >> chaotic synchronicity would have it,

> THALIA

> >> ZEDEK and her

> >> > >> band began their > > tour the

> very next

> >> day. She's

> >> > >> a brilliant intense songwriter.

> Check her

> >> > > out

> >> > >> while you still can...> >>

> >

> >> > >> www.myspace.com/thaliazedek>

> >> >

> >> Her tour ends

> >> > >> on October 23 at La Botanique in

> >> Brussels!> >> >

> >> > >> I went to all the THALIA ZEDEK BAND

> gigs in

> >> England and

> >> > >> after the best one > > at Hull

> Adelphi

> >> I had to zoom

> >> > >> down to Cheam in Surrey for my

> younger >

> >> >

> >> > >> sister's wedding. The lavish

> reception

> >> was held on a

> >> > >> Territorial Army base > > but

> my uncles

> >> and I resisted

> >> > >> the temptation to hijack a tank. One

> thing I

> >> > > gave

> >> > >> her was a copy of 'UH HUH

> HER' by PJ

> >> HARVEY as

> >> > >> "The Desperate Kingdom >

> > of

> >> Love"

> >> > >> couldn't really be a better song

> to wish

> >> for a long

> >> > >> loving > > marriage, at the

> end of this

> >> burning

> >> > >> world.> >> > Then I went

> home to

> >> transcribe

> >> > >> interesting interviews with MAGAZINE

> and >

> >> > WIRE,

> >> > >> blow up some more stereo speakers,

> and wait

> >> for civilization

> >> > >> to fall > > in its grave.>

> >>

> >> >

> >> > >> ACCELERATE> > ACCELERATE>

> >>

> >> >>

> >> > >> >> >> >> >>

> >

> >> > >>

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