[kj] Dutch

[Sarah's Putrefying Kunt]

Why the hell should I 
"settle down" ???

RTX, Kristin Hersh, Githead, Shellac, Michael Gira, 
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Republicans Out Forever!


--- On Wed, 29/10/08, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:


> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

> Date: Wednesday, 29 October, 2008, 9:43 PM

> Maybe the need to categorise is a by-product of how our

> brains work?

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil

> Sent: 29 October 2008 17:29

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

> 

> 

> Nationality is a myth.

> It just keeps you neat and tidy in your box, even when it

> cannot represent every Culture contained inside.

> 

> 

> ""

> 

> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com

> > To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net

> > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:10:34 -0700

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

> > 

> > OK, Change: Settle down. I say it only in a general

> sense. And guess what? I 

> > actually think that about *most* people -- regardless

> of nationality, etc.

> > 

> > Respectfully,

> > 

> > k.w.

> > (open-minded American)

> > 

> > ----- Original Message ----- 

> > From: "Change"

> <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)" 

> > <gathering at misera.net>

> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:46 AM

> > Subject: [kj] Dutch

> > 

> > 

> > > ALL the Dutch are good people?

> > >

> > > That seems a simplisitic view...

> > >

> > >> From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo:

> gathering at misera.netDate: Tue,

> > >> 28 Oct 2008 10:27:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj]

> Nice Streets

> > >> Below: How We Wait in Europe

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Dank u wel for your input, Jerry. The Dutch

> are good people

> > >> (but sorry about your one experience there!)

> And I

> > >> couldn't agree with you about judging an

> entire

> > >> group/city/nation, etc. based on the actions

> of a few jerks.

> > >> It only leads to no good.

> > >>

> > >> Anyway, tot ziens!

> > >>

> > >> k.w.

> > >>

> > >> ----- Original Message ----- 

> > >> From: jerry bodkin

> > >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)

> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:48 AM

> > >> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets Below: How We

> Wait in Europe

> > >> Holland is a lovely country and the Dutch are

> a lovely

> > >> people, ive been there several times

> including once for just

> > >> 12 hours(10 of them in a police cell) but

> we'll leave

> > >> that there! France too is a beautiful

> beautiful place and

> > >> the people there too are lovely once you make

> an effort with

> > >> them. i.e. try at least to speak the

> language. Give me

> > >> Europe any day. Too often we judge an entire

> race on

> > >> individual behaviour, my God, what must most

> of the world

> > >> think of us English. Jelala.

> > >>

> > >> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com> To:

> > >> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk;

> gathering at misera.net> Date:

> > >> Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:50 -0700> Subject:

> Re: [kj] Nice

> > >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> >

> Hi,

> > >> Change:> > Appreciate your thoughts on

> Belgium;

> > >> it's a fine place. Germany also offers

> > so much, and

> > >> has a very strong avant-guarde scene.>

> However, I have to

> > >> take issue with your comments about the Dutch

> and >

> > >> Europe. If anything, the Dutch have a totally

> different

> > >> attitude when it > comes to languages;

> that's why so

> > >> many of them speak three or four of them.

> > Whatever

> > >> differences they may have with their European

> neighbors; I

> > >> really > don't think the English issue

> plays a great

> > >> role.> And while Paris is outrageously

> expensive (I was

> > >> there in May; and believe > me, it was no

> fun coming from

> > >> a country where the currency is in the >

> toilet!), I

> > >> really can't agree with your observations

> about the

> > >> French, > either. (Although I will concur

> about their

> > >> love of Wire!)> But at any rate, enjoy

> travelling -- veel

> > >> plezier, as the Dutch say!> >

> Groetjes,> >

> > >> k.w.> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From:

> > >> "Change"

> <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>

> > >> To: "A list about all things Killing

> Joke (the

> > >> band!)" >

> <gathering at misera.net>> Sent:

> > >> Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:53 AM>

> Subject: [kj] Nice

> > >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> >

> > > How

> > >> nice it was to escape this ever more petty

> joke of a nation,

> > >> occupied > > as it has been by the USA

> since WW2. If

> > >> you want to get away from this > >

> rotten island then

> > >> a great place to go is Belgium. Its not too

> far by > >

> > >> coach through the tunnel. Brussels is

> beautiful. The streets

> > >> smell of > > coffee and chocolate, the

> people are

> > >> jolly and kind and there is great art >

> > everywhere.

> > >> No wonder Colin and Malka made it their home.

> There are also

> > >> > > lots of Belgians with little noses

> straight out of

> > >> a Tintin book. The food > > and beer

> are amazing. I

> > >> thought Brussels was wonderful but then I

> made it > >

> > >> to Ghent and was pretty damn glad the trams

> had been aborted

> > >> by a flower > > festival because I

> walked along the

> > >> canal to get back to the station and >

> > realised that

> > >> this is architecturally the most beautiful

> city I have seen.

> > >> > > I haven't made it to Prague yet

> though!

> > >> Antwerp looks like a low rent > >

> Barcelona copy, in

> > >> the same way Manchester tries to be European

> but always >

> > >> > ends up looking like> > a

> post-industrial dump.

> > >> Tilberg is very boxy but the people were

> partying > >

> > >> hard and late and the Dutch all seem to think

> the rest of

> > >> Europe is crap > > just because they

> don't all

> > >> speak perfect English! "Those crazy

> Dutch!" >

> > >> > said Lewis but I can't remember why.

> Maybe it was

> > >> something to do with the > > hotel WIRE

> rejected in

> > >> Tilburg. Margaret the guitarist said it was

> so > >

> > >> grotty she didn't even want to put her

> bag down in it

> > >> let alone sleep in > > it!> >>

> > Berlin is

> > >> a great place to explore, full of impressive

> sites and large

> > >> > > enough to spend years there I'd

> warrant.

> > >> Tiergarten is the largest and > > most

> lovely park

> > >> I've ever strolled through. German venues

> also make a

> > >> > > mockery of British ones in terms of

> the sound.>

> > >> >> > Strasbourg has a fine market

> where I found a

> > >> sabre for a mere twenty > > euros, a

> light sabre for

> > >> two euros and a tiny plastic Obelix for

> twenty > >

> > >> cents. Lewis loves the trams, but the modern

> art gallery,

> > >> watched over by > > one of

> Lovecraft's Forgotten

> > >> Ones, is even better. I spent too long there

> > > so

> > >> got to Paris 23 minutes too late. My Cologne

> friend Dirk

> > >> from the > > Gathering reckons

> Strasbourg is cool

> > >> because of the huge German influence. >

> > Cancel your

> > >> order, crossing the border, changing the

> menu!> >>

> > >> > The Eyefull tower is good for a stroll

> but Paris is

> > >> full of too many slow > > people and

> the prices are

> > >> obscene. Jus d'orange? Mai non je pense

> que je > >

> > >> WAIT until ich gehe zu Belqigue! Paris hotels

> are the worst.

> > >> Unlike > > Germany and Belgium, the

> beer is worse than

> > >> Britain. French computer > > keyboards

> were designed

> > >> by a retard and the showers go some way to

> > >

> > >> explaining why the English have often mocked

> the French for

> > >> being > > hygenically challenged. The

> redeeming

> > >> feature of the French is that many > >

> of them seem to

> > >> really love WIRE and gave the most

> enthusiastic response

> > >> > > of any crowds on this tour.>

> >> >

> > >> Anyway this was the route of my rail and road

> trip:>

> > >> >> > I arrived in beautiful Brussels

> in the middle

> > >> of some kind of medieval > > WARDANCE

> pageant. I had

> > >> time to visit the city's most mainstream

> record >

> > >> > store just opposite Ancienne Belquique

> which Killing

> > >> Joke would conquer by > > and by. I was

> rewarded by

> > >> finding a copy of one of the few PJ HARVEY

> > > singles

> > >> I didn't yet possess, 'A PLACE CALLED

> HOME.'>

> > >> >> > After a couple of hours I

> caught the train to

> > >> gorgeous Ghent for the WIRE > > gig at

> Democrazy.>

> > >> >> > Next day I took trains via

> Antwerp and a bus

> > >> NORTH OF THE BORDER to > > Tilburg just

> in time to

> > >> catch the seismic riffin' PELICAN and

> Dutch > >

> > >> hardcore heroes SEEIN' RED before WIRE

> blasted off at

> > >> around 7pm. Later I > > was also

> entertained by the

> > >> double breasted PRE and a Satanic black metal

> > > band

> > >> who gave the crowd the finger for watching

> them, all of

> > >> which was > > unexpected.> >>

> > On

> > >> returning to Brussels I witnessed a lovely

> WIRE gig at La

> > >> Botanique, a > > venue which could

> verily call itself

> > >> NICE STREETS ABOVE if it so desired. >

> > I struck up

> > >> conversation with a charming photographer and

> graphic

> > >> designer > > called Violette who sent

> me eight great

> > >> photos of WIRE from the gig.> >>

> > After the gig

> > >> I had to START TO MOVE pretty sharp and

> jumped on the night

> > >> > > train where I was entertained by

> conversation with

> > >> a former theatre > > director who had

> just aborted a

> > >> trip to Turkey. He recommended a trip to >

> >

> > >> Tiergarten which proved very good advice. My

> first police

> > >> encounter was > > with two cops on the

> Ostbahnhof

> > >> platform who took a rather long time >

> > checking to

> > >> find out if Interpol have a warrant out on me

> for listening

> > >> to > > music in my living room. Berlin

> is also very

> > >> cool and well worth a visit > > in its

> own right, but

> > >> smells worse than Brussels.> >> >

> The first

> > >> night was free before the arrival of KILLING

> JOKE so I

> > >> checked > > out the SO36 venue where

> they and WIRE

> > >> played, which was immortalised in a > >

> song on the

> > >> first KILLING JOKE album. The sound was

> excellent as are all

> > >> > > other German venues I've ever

> been to. The

> > >> soundman played KILLING JOKE > > before

> the headline

> > >> act, a comedy punk trio who weren't very

> funny but >

> > >> > probably liked DEVO. We talked after the

> gig and I run

> > >> into him again at > > the KILLING JOKE

> gigs.>

> > >> >> > After the amazing KILLING JOKE

> regeneration in

> > >> Berlin, with Big Paul's > > drum

> kit illuminated

> > >> and smoking ritualistically, I planned to

> head to > >

> > >> Paris to see them there. The train times were

> TOO LATE so at

> > >> the last > > minute I rerouted to

> Strasbourg for more

> > >> WIRE and this proved a wise > > choice

> as the COMET

> > >> hit very late and I caught the whole set in

> front of a >

> > >> > very young and enthusiastic crowd at a

> festival that

> > >> went on until 6am. > > Next day my

> second run in with

> > >> cops was with two French transport police

> > > who ask

> > >> me to wrap up my sword so that it

> couldn't be seen

> > >> before I caught > > the train.>

> >> > Paris

> > >> next for more WIRE, on a first class train

> where I started

> > >> downing > > some of the left over

> Heineken from last

> > >> night's rider and upset a French >

> > idiot who had

> > >> a tantrum because I couldn't stop

> belching even when she

> > >> > > kicked my chair. She complained to

> the guard and

> > >> he clearly thought it was > > a bit

> silly having to

> > >> ask me not to belch when I couldn't help

> it. In the >

> > >> > end she started complaining I was

> playing the BUTTHOLE

> > >> SURFERS too loud on > > my headphones

> and he came

> > >> back, again embarrassed, to ask me to turn it

> > >

> > >> down. Then she had a stroke of genius and

> moved to another

> > >> seat. Perhaps > > its a good job the

> sword was

> > >> wrapped!> > If you ever feel like going

> to Paris my

> > >> advice is don't bother. Go in a > >

> cafe that

> > >> advertises coffee for a Euro and they greasy

> waiters will

> > >> > > chearge you five.> >> >

> It was nice to

> > >> speed back to Belgium and Brussels which was

> already >

> > >> > seeming like a second home. I found many

> cool CDs in

> > >> the shops, including > > quite

> appropriately

> > >> COMMERCIAL SUICIDE. Being there for three

> days I had >

> > >> > plenty of time to explore and each day

> surpassed the

> > >> previous one. I met > > so many great

> people in

> > >> Belgium I felt like moving there!>

> >> > My

> > >> favourite songs to listen to on a speeding

> train were>

> > >> > KILLING JOKE - Pssyche> > WIRE -

> Drill (DJ

> > >> Fuckoff Version)> > oh dear the

> moderate Craig

> > >> won't like that will he?> > KILLING

> JOKE -

> > >> Timewave> > PJ HARVEY - Taut> >

> EINSTURZENDE

> > >> NEUBAUTEN - Haus Der Lauge> > BAND OF

> SUSANS - Guitar

> > >> Trio> > KILLING JOKE - Empire Song>

> > WIRE -

> > >> Germ Ship> > WIRE - Spent> >

> BUTTHOLE SURFERS -

> > >> Who was in my room last night?> >>

> > Back home

> > >> after another awesome double dose of the

> mighty JOKE I had a

> > >> day > > of rest and didn't even

> have time enough

> > >> to notice what a terminal dump > >

> Manchester is

> > >> because the MELVINS wheeled in to rock the

> town and give me

> > >> > > a chance to catch up with lots of

> old friends.

> > >> That is the great thing > > about

> Manchester, lots of

> > >> good gigs.> >> > Next day I was

> off again to

> > >> London for the KILLING JOKE homecoming and as

> > >

> > >> chaotic synchronicity would have it, THALIA

> ZEDEK and her

> > >> band began their > > tour the very next

> day. She's

> > >> a brilliant intense songwriter. Check her

> > > out

> > >> while you still can...> >> >

> > >> www.myspace.com/thaliazedek> >> >

> Her tour ends

> > >> on October 23 at La Botanique in

> Brussels!> >> >

> > >> I went to all the THALIA ZEDEK BAND gigs in

> England and

> > >> after the best one > > at Hull Adelphi

> I had to zoom

> > >> down to Cheam in Surrey for my younger >

> >

> > >> sister's wedding. The lavish reception

> was held on a

> > >> Territorial Army base > > but my uncles

> and I resisted

> > >> the temptation to hijack a tank. One thing I

> > > gave

> > >> her was a copy of 'UH HUH HER' by PJ

> HARVEY as

> > >> "The Desperate Kingdom > > of

> Love"

> > >> couldn't really be a better song to wish

> for a long

> > >> loving > > marriage, at the end of this

> burning

> > >> world.> >> > Then I went home to

> transcribe

> > >> interesting interviews with MAGAZINE and >

> > WIRE,

> > >> blow up some more stereo speakers, and wait

> for civilization

> > >> to fall > > in its grave.> >>

> >

> > >> ACCELERATE> > ACCELERATE> >>

> >>

> > >> >> >> >> >> >

> > >>

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