[kj] Congrats Obama

[ade]

I'm not even thinking about our reliance on oil, I just think if we get
out now, the place will become warlord/tribe controlled. I think anyone
who calls for removal of troops now doesn't give a shit about the people
left behind.

As soon as we went in, that was the death-sentence for any withdrawal
for YEARS. What a total fuck-up.

You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. Whereas
the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
nutfucks. We've trained them up...


-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of T.B.
Sent: 04 June 2008 16:40
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


"ade" wrote:



> Do you think the US should pull out of Iraq, asap ?


IMO, yeah, sure we should get out of the country asap.  The problem is, we 
can't.

We really screwed the pooch invading that country and severely 
underestimated the ability of the people there to become self-starters and 
govern themselves.  Not to mention our presence created a convenient place 
for every anti-American faction to gather, organize and fight us on 
basically their home ground further destabilizing the place.  Now, the 
moment we start pulling out in significant numbers, you'll see hardcore 
Islamic fanatics like the Taliban taking up the slack and overthrowing 
whatever fragile government might be in place and taking the country back to 
the stone age.

With oil at an all time high with no end in sight, any further major 
destabilization in global fuel sources will be catastrophic to the world 
economy.  Thus, while there may be a significant drawdown in combat troops 
in the next 5 years, we'll likely have a permanent military presence in the 
region for decades to come.  With countries like China gobbling up more and 
more oil, there basically *has* to be a Western (translation: US) military 
presence in the region to prevent a full tilt invasion somewhere down the 
line from China or even Russia.

T.B. 

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