[kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

[Alexander Smith]

Killing Joke would be the first to tell you that they weren't Punks.


And it's Lou REED, not Reid.

Alex in NYC



On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Brendan Quinn wrote:


> Well post punk is completely tied up to begin with, wherever Killing  

> Joke were from was gonna be the default de facto winner! They are  

> head and shoulders above *most* of the rest of that genre in so many  

> ways… plenty of good competition, but shit…no one really with that  

> whole package, that plethora of unique attributes.

>

> I can’t comment too much about punk, but with my limited knowledge  

> I’d have to agree, the Ramones stuff sounds pretty boring to me to  

> be honest, like the same song over and over. Just my relatively  

> unqualified opinion at this stage. Whereas the Sex Pistols, it’s  

> absolutely dripping in invective, wit, sarcasm, outright attack on  

> the establishment, society, the audience…I don’t mind the New York  

> Dolls and Iggy, but a lot of that NYC scene just came across as  

> dirty and decadent. The UK WAS dirty and decadent, but the Sex  

> Pistols weren’t a celebration of that, a la Lou Reid, they were a  

> reaction against it.

>

> As are Killing Joke.

>

> So yeah, have to agree on the punk front, metal is another matter…

>

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ] On Behalf Of ade

> Sent: Friday, 25 January 2008 12:25 p.m.

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>

> > that said:

> > in general

> > the best 70's punk came from the UK

> > the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA

> > the best post punk from the UK

>

>

> Incredibly well summarised, wulfdot - I agree!

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ]On Behalf Of fluw

> Sent: 24 January 2008 22:01

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

> just stirring the pot this argument has been done to death

>

> but in defense of  link wray: he didn't have a mohawk or studs,  

> instead he had one lung (hence the lack of lyrics), a leather jacket  

> minus the studs and one seriously nasty guitar technique! but his  

> instrumentals cast far more punk attitude and atmosphere than an  

> albums worth of 70's punk.

>

> and no punk player worth a rats left nad would tell you he isn't  

> punk...

>

>

> anyone offering an opinion about punk whether - who, what, where,  

> when, how so - and hasn't ever picked up an instrument, jumped on  

> stage, taken a steamy gob or two hocked at 'em from the mindless  

> masses, and proceeded to win'em over - has no value to their opinion.

>

> they have a right to their opinion ( to flush it that is ) but no  

> value

>

> that said:

> in general

> the best 70's punk came from the UK

> the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA

> the best post punk from the UK

>

> tw

>

> bongo wrote:

> did he have a big red mohawk and a studded leather jacket, and patches

> all over his trousers??

>

> =)

>

>

>

>

> On Jan 25, 2008 8:28 AM, fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>> punk started with link wray in 1958 with the tune rumble

>>

>>  usa

>>

>>

>> Mik wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Guess it all depends on your own personal definition of punk and  

>> how far

>> back you want to go to try to prove a point.

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

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>>

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>> ] On

>> Behalf Of melinda grant

>> Sent: 24 January 2008 12:27

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>>

>>

>>

>> talking of which,saw a great prog on bbc4 last night all about  

>> the"new york

>> punk scene"  feated new york dolls--who have been going since the  

>> early

>> 70s-1972 they started up along with lou reed,iggy,mc5,alice  

>> cooper...these

>> people are responsable for really starting the roots of punk----it  

>> was

>> malcolm mcclaren,who after having seen the--new york dolls perform  

>> at cbgbc

>> in 74--took the concept back to u.k and got the sex pistols  

>> together in 75

>> ;0

>>

>> /1974/5..debby harry,patti smith,televiosion

>> talking heads,deadboys,were also considered early punk scene as  

>> well in new

>> york,they also hungout and performed regularly at cbgbs....

>>

>> so who started punk? sorry mick it was  the newyork scene

>>

>> who put a very rough and almost dangerious edge to punk---u.k sex  

>> pistols

>> plus a small handfull of other bands at the time, some of which  

>> sprung out

>> from a group of punks known as"the bromly contingent" the rest hung  

>> out with

>> them and the pistols--they generally performed(when they could) at  

>> 100

>> club/marquee/screen on the green/dingwalls/the nastvill--all hung out

>> at"sex"(later known as--saditionarys!) mcmlarens/viv westwood  

>> alternative

>> clothes shop,along worldend part of the kings road--london!!

>>

>> milinda ps lesson over;D))),now hand in your papers for me to mark ;P

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>> From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:18:59 +0000

>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

>>>

>>

>> Come on Alex, after all the arguments we have had over the years? Lol

>>

>>

>>

>> Mik

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>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>> ] On

>> Behalf Of Alexander Smith

>> Sent: 24 January 2008 01:01

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Alex in NYC's Favorite Vibrators songs in no particular order:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> 1) "Dragnet" (off the PUNK & DISORDERLY compilation)

>>

>>

>> 2) "Into the Future" (first track off PURE MANIA)

>>

>>

>> 3) "Troops of Tomorrow" -- for birthing his second-fave track by the

>> Exploited (the first being "Daily News").

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On Jan 23, 2008, at 7:32 PM, folk devil wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Troops of tomorrow ;)

>> ________________________________

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>>

>> From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:00:47 +0000

>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>

>> thought that would get yours attention ;D))))

>>

>> the vibrators were an ok band,i exspecially like the track"the  

>> youth of

>> tomorrow" it had the most amaizing build up--starting very quietly  

>> then

>> building into a crescendo of throbbing bass/drums and drony

>> voices-7um,really like it--dont have it any longer,perhaps some  

>> kind folk

>> can upload it to the list,so everyone can hear this semi-marval of  

>> pinks

>> bygone days ;D!!!

>>

>> milinda

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>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:26:47 -0800

>> From: joker at Z6.com

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>

>>

>> The very same!

>>

>>

>>

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>> --- folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com wrote:

>>

>> From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>> To: <gathering at misera.net>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:04:16 -0800

>>

>> Is that the same Ellis that was in the vibrators?

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>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:05:10 -0800

>> From: joker at Z6.com

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>

>>

>> That article was spot on Greg!

>>

>> Summed it up completely, though I must admit to you that I really  

>> liked 10!

>>

>> The thing with Stanglers post Cornwell was that John Ellis just did  

>> not work

>> as a guitarist and it was rather evident that JJ was going with the  

>> flow for

>> a lot of it. Ellis' guitar was very bluse based and rather staid.

>>

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