[kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

[Brendan]

Thanks Dad.


>

> Killing Joke would be the first to tell you that they weren't Punks.

>

>

> And it's Lou REED, not Reid.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Brendan Quinn wrote:

>

>> Well post punk is completely tied up to begin with, wherever Killing

>> Joke were from was gonna be the default de facto winner! They are

>> head and shoulders above *most* of the rest of that genre in so many

>> ways

 plenty of good competition, but shit
no one really with that

>> whole package, that plethora of unique attributes.

>>

>> I can’t comment too much about punk, but with my limited knowledge

>> I’d have to agree, the Ramones stuff sounds pretty boring to me to

>> be honest, like the same song over and over. Just my relatively

>> unqualified opinion at this stage. Whereas the Sex Pistols, it’s

>> absolutely dripping in invective, wit, sarcasm, outright attack on

>> the establishment, society, the audience

I don’t mind the New York

>> Dolls and Iggy, but a lot of that NYC scene just came across as

>> dirty and decadent. The UK WAS dirty and decadent, but the Sex

>> Pistols weren’t a celebration of that, a la Lou Reid, they were a

>> reaction against it.

>>

>> As are Killing Joke.

>>

>> So yeah, have to agree on the punk front, metal is another matter



>>

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> ] On Behalf Of ade

>> Sent: Friday, 25 January 2008 12:25 p.m.

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>>

>> > that said:

>> > in general

>> > the best 70's punk came from the UK

>> > the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA

>> > the best post punk from the UK

>>

>>

>> Incredibly well summarised, wulfdot - I agree!

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> ]On Behalf Of fluw

>> Sent: 24 January 2008 22:01

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>> just stirring the pot this argument has been done to death

>>

>> but in defense of  link wray: he didn't have a mohawk or studs,

>> instead he had one lung (hence the lack of lyrics), a leather jacket

>> minus the studs and one seriously nasty guitar technique! but his

>> instrumentals cast far more punk attitude and atmosphere than an

>> albums worth of 70's punk.

>>

>> and no punk player worth a rats left nad would tell you he isn't

>> punk...

>>

>>

>> anyone offering an opinion about punk whether - who, what, where,

>> when, how so - and hasn't ever picked up an instrument, jumped on

>> stage, taken a steamy gob or two hocked at 'em from the mindless

>> masses, and proceeded to win'em over - has no value to their opinion.

>>

>> they have a right to their opinion ( to flush it that is ) but no

>> value

>>

>> that said:

>> in general

>> the best 70's punk came from the UK

>> the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA

>> the best post punk from the UK

>>

>> tw

>>

>> bongo wrote:

>> did he have a big red mohawk and a studded leather jacket, and patches

>> all over his trousers??

>>

>> =)

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On Jan 25, 2008 8:28 AM, fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>

>>> punk started with link wray in 1958 with the tune rumble

>>>

>>>  usa

>>>

>>>

>>> Mik wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Guess it all depends on your own personal definition of punk and

>>> how far

>>> back you want to go to try to prove a point.

>>>

>>>

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>> ] On

>>> Behalf Of melinda grant

>>> Sent: 24 January 2008 12:27

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> talking of which,saw a great prog on bbc4 last night all about

>>> the"new york

>>> punk scene"  feated new york dolls--who have been going since the

>>> early

>>> 70s-1972 they started up along with lou reed,iggy,mc5,alice

>>> cooper...these

>>> people are responsable for really starting the roots of punk----it

>>> was

>>> malcolm mcclaren,who after having seen the--new york dolls perform

>>> at cbgbc

>>> in 74--took the concept back to u.k and got the sex pistols

>>> together in 75

>>> ;0

>>>

>>> /1974/5..debby harry,patti smith,televiosion

>>> talking heads,deadboys,were also considered early punk scene as

>>> well in new

>>> york,they also hungout and performed regularly at cbgbs....

>>>

>>> so who started punk? sorry mick it was  the newyork scene

>>>

>>> who put a very rough and almost dangerious edge to punk---u.k sex

>>> pistols

>>> plus a small handfull of other bands at the time, some of which

>>> sprung out

>>> from a group of punks known as"the bromly contingent" the rest hung

>>> out with

>>> them and the pistols--they generally performed(when they could) at

>>> 100

>>> club/marquee/screen on the green/dingwalls/the nastvill--all hung out

>>> at"sex"(later known as--saditionarys!) mcmlarens/viv westwood

>>> alternative

>>> clothes shop,along worldend part of the kings road--london!!

>>>

>>> milinda ps lesson over;D))),now hand in your papers for me to mark ;P

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>> From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:18:59 +0000

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Come on Alex, after all the arguments we have had over the years? Lol

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Mik

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>> ] On

>>> Behalf Of Alexander Smith

>>> Sent: 24 January 2008 01:01

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC's Favorite Vibrators songs in no particular order:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> 1) "Dragnet" (off the PUNK & DISORDERLY compilation)

>>>

>>>

>>> 2) "Into the Future" (first track off PURE MANIA)

>>>

>>>

>>> 3) "Troops of Tomorrow" -- for birthing his second-fave track by the

>>> Exploited (the first being "Daily News").

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Jan 23, 2008, at 7:32 PM, folk devil wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Troops of tomorrow ;)

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>> From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:00:47 +0000

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>>

>>> thought that would get yours attention ;D))))

>>>

>>> the vibrators were an ok band,i exspecially like the track"the

>>> youth of

>>> tomorrow" it had the most amaizing build up--starting very quietly

>>> then

>>> building into a crescendo of throbbing bass/drums and drony

>>> voices-7um,really like it--dont have it any longer,perhaps some

>>> kind folk

>>> can upload it to the list,so everyone can hear this semi-marval of

>>> pinks

>>> bygone days ;D!!!

>>>

>>> milinda

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:26:47 -0800

>>> From: joker at Z6.com

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>>

>>>

>>> The very same!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear

>>>

>>> --- folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com wrote:

>>>

>>> From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>>> To: <gathering at misera.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:04:16 -0800

>>>

>>> Is that the same Ellis that was in the vibrators?

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:05:10 -0800

>>> From: joker at Z6.com

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>>

>>>

>>> That article was spot on Greg!

>>>

>>> Summed it up completely, though I must admit to you that I really

>>> liked 10!

>>>

>>> The thing with Stanglers post Cornwell was that John Ellis just did

>>> not work

>>> as a guitarist and it was rather evident that JJ was going with the

>>> flow for

>>> a lot of it. Ellis' guitar was very bluse based and rather staid.

>>>

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