[kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

Brendan Quinn bq at soundgardener.co.nz
Thu Jan 24 19:24:49 EST 2008


Well post punk is completely tied up to begin with, wherever Killing Joke
were from was gonna be the default de facto winner! They are head and
shoulders above *most* of the rest of that genre in so many ways. plenty of
good competition, but shit.no one really with that whole package, that
plethora of unique attributes.



I can't comment too much about punk, but with my limited knowledge I'd have
to agree, the Ramones stuff sounds pretty boring to me to be honest, like
the same song over and over. Just my relatively unqualified opinion at this
stage. Whereas the Sex Pistols, it's absolutely dripping in invective, wit,
sarcasm, outright attack on the establishment, society, the audience.I don't
mind the New York Dolls and Iggy, but a lot of that NYC scene just came
across as dirty and decadent. The UK WAS dirty and decadent, but the Sex
Pistols weren't a celebration of that, a la Lou Reid, they were a reaction
against it.



As are Killing Joke.



So yeah, have to agree on the punk front, metal is another matter.



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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of ade
Sent: Friday, 25 January 2008 12:25 p.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)




> that said:

> in general

> the best 70's punk came from the UK

> the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA

> the best post punk from the UK






Incredibly well summarised, wulfdot - I agree!



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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
Behalf Of fluw
Sent: 24 January 2008 22:01
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

just stirring the pot this argument has been done to death

but in defense of link wray: he didn't have a mohawk or studs, instead he
had one lung (hence the lack of lyrics), a leather jacket minus the studs
and one seriously nasty guitar technique! but his instrumentals cast far
more punk attitude and atmosphere than an albums worth of 70's punk.

and no punk player worth a rats left nad would tell you he isn't punk...


anyone offering an opinion about punk whether - who, what, where, when, how
so - and hasn't ever picked up an instrument, jumped on stage, taken a
steamy gob or two hocked at 'em from the mindless masses, and proceeded to
win'em over - has no value to their opinion.

they have a right to their opinion ( to flush it that is ) but no value

that said:
in general
the best 70's punk came from the UK
the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA
the best post punk from the UK

tw

bongo wrote:

did he have a big red mohawk and a studded leather jacket, and patches
all over his trousers??

=)




On Jan 25, 2008 8:28 AM, fluw <mailto:fluwdot at earthlink.net>
<fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:


punk started with link wray in 1958 with the tune rumble

usa


Mik wrote:




Guess it all depends on your own personal definition of punk and how far
back you want to go to try to prove a point.


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 24 January 2008 12:27
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)



talking of which,saw a great prog on bbc4 last night all about the"new york
punk scene" feated new york dolls--who have been going since the early
70s-1972 they started up along with lou reed,iggy,mc5,alice cooper...these
people are responsable for really starting the roots of punk----it was
malcolm mcclaren,who after having seen the--new york dolls perform at cbgbc
in 74--took the concept back to u.k and got the sex pistols together in 75
;0

/1974/5..debby harry,patti smith,televiosion
talking heads,deadboys,were also considered early punk scene as well in new
york,they also hungout and performed regularly at cbgbs....

so who started punk? sorry mick it was the newyork scene

who put a very rough and almost dangerious edge to punk---u.k sex pistols
plus a small handfull of other bands at the time, some of which sprung out
from a group of punks known as"the bromly contingent" the rest hung out with
them and the pistols--they generally performed(when they could) at 100
club/marquee/screen on the green/dingwalls/the nastvill--all hung out
at"sex"(later known as--saditionarys!) mcmlarens/viv westwood alternative
clothes shop,along worldend part of the kings road--london!!

milinda ps lesson over;D))),now hand in your papers for me to mark ;P
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From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:18:59 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!






Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.



Come on Alex, after all the arguments we have had over the years? Lol



Mik
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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Alexander Smith
Sent: 24 January 2008 01:01
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!







Alex in NYC's Favorite Vibrators songs in no particular order:





1) "Dragnet" (off the PUNK & DISORDERLY compilation)


2) "Into the Future" (first track off PURE MANIA)


3) "Troops of Tomorrow" -- for birthing his second-fave track by the
Exploited (the first being "Daily News").





Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.





Alex in NYC







On Jan 23, 2008, at 7:32 PM, folk devil wrote:




Troops of tomorrow ;)
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From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:00:47 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

thought that would get yours attention ;D))))

the vibrators were an ok band,i exspecially like the track"the youth of
tomorrow" it had the most amaizing build up--starting very quietly then
building into a crescendo of throbbing bass/drums and drony
voices-7um,really like it--dont have it any longer,perhaps some kind folk
can upload it to the list,so everyone can hear this semi-marval of pinks
bygone days ;D!!!

milinda
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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:26:47 -0800
From: joker at Z6.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!


The very same!



www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear

--- folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com wrote:

From: folk devil <mailto:folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>
<folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>
To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net> <gathering at misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:04:16 -0800

Is that the same Ellis that was in the vibrators?
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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:05:10 -0800
From: joker at Z6.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!


That article was spot on Greg!

Summed it up completely, though I must admit to you that I really liked 10!

The thing with Stanglers post Cornwell was that John Ellis just did not work
as a guitarist and it was rather evident that JJ was going with the flow for
a lot of it. Ellis' guitar was very bluse based and rather staid.


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