[kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

[Alexander Smith]

"that said:
in general
the best 70's punk came from the UK
the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA
the best post punk from the UK"

Amen to all of that.

Alex in NYC


On Jan 24, 2008, at 5:01 PM, fluw wrote:


> just stirring the pot this argument has been done to death

>

> but in defense of  link wray: he didn't have a mohawk or studs,  

> instead he had one lung (hence the lack of lyrics), a leather jacket  

> minus the studs and one seriously nasty guitar technique! but his  

> instrumentals cast far more punk attitude and atmosphere than an  

> albums worth of 70's punk.

>

> and no punk player worth a rats left nad would tell you he isn't  

> punk...

>

>

> anyone offering an opinion about punk whether - who, what, where,  

> when, how so - and hasn't ever picked up an instrument, jumped on  

> stage, taken a steamy gob or two hocked at 'em from the mindless  

> masses, and proceeded to win'em over - has no value to their opinion.

>

> they have a right to their opinion ( to flush it that is ) but no  

> value

>

> that said:

> in general

> the best 70's punk came from the UK

> the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA

> the best post punk from the UK

>

> tw

>

> bongo wrote:

>>

>> did he have a big red mohawk and a studded leather jacket, and  

>> patches

>> all over his trousers??

>>

>> =)

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On Jan 25, 2008 8:28 AM, fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>

>>> punk started with link wray in 1958 with the tune rumble

>>>

>>>  usa

>>>

>>>

>>> Mik wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Guess it all depends on your own personal definition of punk and  

>>> how far

>>> back you want to go to try to prove a point.

>>>

>>>

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>>> ] On

>>> Behalf Of melinda grant

>>> Sent: 24 January 2008 12:27

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> talking of which,saw a great prog on bbc4 last night all about  

>>> the"new york

>>> punk scene"  feated new york dolls--who have been going since the  

>>> early

>>> 70s-1972 they started up along with lou reed,iggy,mc5,alice  

>>> cooper...these

>>> people are responsable for really starting the roots of punk----it  

>>> was

>>> malcolm mcclaren,who after having seen the--new york dolls perform  

>>> at cbgbc

>>> in 74--took the concept back to u.k and got the sex pistols  

>>> together in 75

>>> ;0

>>>

>>> /1974/5..debby harry,patti smith,televiosion

>>> talking heads,deadboys,were also considered early punk scene as  

>>> well in new

>>> york,they also hungout and performed regularly at cbgbs....

>>>

>>> so who started punk? sorry mick it was  the newyork scene

>>>

>>> who put a very rough and almost dangerious edge to punk---u.k sex  

>>> pistols

>>> plus a small handfull of other bands at the time, some of which  

>>> sprung out

>>> from a group of punks known as"the bromly contingent" the rest  

>>> hung out with

>>> them and the pistols--they generally performed(when they could) at  

>>> 100

>>> club/marquee/screen on the green/dingwalls/the nastvill--all hung  

>>> out

>>> at"sex"(later known as--saditionarys!) mcmlarens/viv westwood  

>>> alternative

>>> clothes shop,along worldend part of the kings road--london!!

>>>

>>> milinda ps lesson over;D))),now hand in your papers for me to  

>>> mark ;P

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>> From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:18:59 +0000

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Come on Alex, after all the arguments we have had over the years?  

>>> Lol

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Mik

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>>> ] On

>>> Behalf Of Alexander Smith

>>> Sent: 24 January 2008 01:01

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC's Favorite Vibrators songs in no particular order:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> 1) "Dragnet" (off the PUNK & DISORDERLY compilation)

>>>

>>>

>>> 2) "Into the Future" (first track off PURE MANIA)

>>>

>>>

>>> 3) "Troops of Tomorrow" -- for birthing his second-fave track by the

>>> Exploited (the first being "Daily News").

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Jan 23, 2008, at 7:32 PM, folk devil wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Troops of tomorrow ;)

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>> From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:00:47 +0000

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>>

>>> thought that would get yours attention ;D))))

>>>

>>> the vibrators were an ok band,i exspecially like the track"the  

>>> youth of

>>> tomorrow" it had the most amaizing build up--starting very quietly  

>>> then

>>> building into a crescendo of throbbing bass/drums and drony

>>> voices-7um,really like it--dont have it any longer,perhaps some  

>>> kind folk

>>> can upload it to the list,so everyone can hear this semi-marval of  

>>> pinks

>>> bygone days ;D!!!

>>>

>>> milinda

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:26:47 -0800

>>> From: joker at Z6.com

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>>

>>>

>>> The very same!

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>>>

>>> --- folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com wrote:

>>>

>>> From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>>> To: <gathering at misera.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:04:16 -0800

>>>

>>> Is that the same Ellis that was in the vibrators?

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:05:10 -0800

>>> From: joker at Z6.com

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>>

>>>

>>> That article was spot on Greg!

>>>

>>> Summed it up completely, though I must admit to you that I really  

>>> liked 10!

>>>

>>> The thing with Stanglers post Cornwell was that John Ellis just  

>>> did not work

>>> as a guitarist and it was rather evident that JJ was going with  

>>> the flow for

>>> a lot of it. Ellis' guitar was very bluse based and rather staid.

>>>

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