[kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's all a load of ...

[sade1]

Re: supposedly "safe" areas aka 'Green Zones'
   
    There was a home-invasion robbery a couple of nights ago here in the Westwood hills  (really high-end crowd) and this evening about 10minutes ago the tv news are reporting a shootout at a luxury apartment building in Beverly Hills. (both in L.A. area)
    Very rare for either of these 2 areas to have such kinds of crime and much less common for it to hit the tv news radar.
  Also a psychiatrist was hacked to death with an axe by a psychotic patient released from a mental hospital that apparently had enough evidence to keep him in custody until it was safer.
   
    That last one is just to show us here in the States don't always use guns.  
  It's not always like some Guy Ritchie movie or something. 
  
Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:
        v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}        st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                There’s some pretty troubling American gangsta wannabe stuff happening in NZ too, random brutal attacks and killings. And fuck all you can do about it because the problem stems from societal issues…’cracking down’ on crime is easier said than done.
   
  Check out these nervous systems:
   
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azxT1FW0Vj8
   
  A 17-year old kid got killed the street next to mine the night I moved in, by a travelling bunch of fuckwits, and this is one of the nicer neighbourhoods in Auckland.
   
      
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  From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of pssyche23
Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2008 8:51 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class,working class ... it's all a load of ...

   
    They now refer to it as "feral youth" over here ... a product of a broken and sick society ... devoid of any compassion, values or understanding for anyone else - every week there appears to be another story of a family man who interrupts a gang of mindless idiots causing some minor trouble on the street, then struck down in front of their own children and left to die ... it's like an epidemic ... nothing like the petty youth cult squabbles of the past ... and then there's the bizarre case of Bridgend in Wales ... another teenage suicide ... some 17 in the past year ... quote in the paper today from a 16 year old "these people are just bored of their lives, man. Kids here have been drinking, smoking dope, taking ecstasy, having sex since they were 13 or 14, so by the time they reach my age, they've done everything and they are bored shitless". 

     

    What sort of monster has been created ?  There's a fucking world out there to explore and experience, the joys of seeing your own family growing up ... it's like a section of society has been left behind ... I bet they've all got their multi-channel TV, mobile phones & XBOX/DS/wii etc etc ... and why do kids aspire to all this irrelevant gangsta shite ... I think more grannies should go out wearing hoodies plus it keeps em warm in winter ... the hoodie craze would die down fairly quickly ... look, you don't live in the ghetto, you live in Milton Keynes & you hang around the shopping centre ... it is not the same thing ... c'mon Jon please give us your verdict on this problem ...  

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    From: folk devil 

    To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 

    Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:25 PM

    Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's all a load of ...

     

  The States and Britain are now dealing with Thatcher's and Reagan's children. Sucks, don't it?


 
    
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  From: antoni at clara.net
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:14:28 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's all a load of ...
    It's the toffs in "average middle class" working guy's clothing (a la David Cameron) I object to ... Old Etonians, born to rule ... then again, even under a Labour government that I craved for, the divide between rich and poor seems to have got ever wider ... despite the many positive aspects of a centre-left government, there still seems to be an illusion of democracy (what with dodgy dossiers and pandering to big business) ... no wonder many of the young-un's couldn't give a shit ... and even if they do, they are probably materialistic and self-centred, so likely to vote for someone dangling the same old carrots such as tax cuts ... what sort of career prospects do many have ... a fast-food serving career path or drugs and petty crime ... so, sorry, going off tangent a bit, middle class ? What am I ? Well, for all my centre left leanings, our family was probably lower middle class ... my parents never went down the pub and didn't go to bingo !!! Relatively poor
 compared with the working class family who lived next door, who seemed to possess all the mod cons ... I don't think class really is an issue for folks anymore, the lines are so blurred, most people are somewhere in the middle ... 

     

      ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: jpwhkj at aol.com 

    To: gathering at misera.net 

    Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:49 PM

    Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...

     

    Difficult to say - that quote applies here as well  Probably easier to say who isn't:

     

    chavs

    Ade
errr...
that's it


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From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:32
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...

        So, what is middle-class, according to Europeans and U.K.eans? 

    I live in the United States and here "everybone is 'middle-class'."** 

     

    **anyone remember this quote from 

      the film "Gods And Monsters"?

jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:

      Phew, that's a relief!

     

    Yes, I'm prejudiced - and I've yet to meet anyone who isn't (which I suspect is what you were getting at).  For me, the question is how we deal with our prejudices and how they affect our interation with the rest of the world.

     

    And can I just check whether you are middle class? <grin>

    
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From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:05
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...

      Nothing, I'm just prejudiced. Now tell you're not.


  

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