[kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's all a load of ...

[Brendan Quinn]

There’s some pretty troubling American gangsta wannabe stuff happening in NZ
too, random brutal attacks and killings. And fuck all you can do about it
because the problem stems from societal issues…’cracking down’ on crime is
easier said than done.

 

Check out these nervous systems:

 

HYPERLINK
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azxT1FW0Vj8"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a
zxT1FW0Vj8

 

A 17-year old kid got killed the street next to mine the night I moved in,
by a travelling bunch of fuckwits, and this is one of the nicer
neighbourhoods in Auckland.

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of pssyche23
Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2008 8:51 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class,working class ... it's all
a load of ...

 

They now refer to it as "feral youth" over here ... a product of a broken
and sick society ... devoid of any compassion, values or understanding for
anyone else - every week there appears to be another story of a family man
who interrupts a gang of mindless idiots causing some minor trouble on the
street, then struck down in front of their own children and left to die ...
it's like an epidemic ... nothing like the petty youth cult squabbles of the
past ... and then there's the bizarre case of Bridgend in Wales ... another
teenage suicide ... some 17 in the past year ... quote in the paper today
from a 16 year old "these people are just bored of their lives, man. Kids
here have been drinking, smoking dope, taking ecstasy, having sex since they
were 13 or 14, so by the time they reach my age, they've done everything and
they are bored shitless". 

 

What sort of monster has been created ?  There's a fucking world out there
to explore and experience, the joys of seeing your own family growing up ...
it's like a section of society has been left behind ... I bet they've all
got their multi-channel TV, mobile phones & XBOX/DS/wii etc etc ... and why
do kids aspire to all this irrelevant gangsta shite ... I think more
grannies should go out wearing hoodies plus it keeps em warm in winter ...
the hoodie craze would die down fairly quickly ... look, you don't live in
the ghetto, you live in Milton Keynes & you hang around the shopping centre
... it is not the same thing ... c'mon Jon please give us your verdict on
this problem ...  

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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com"folk devil 

To: HYPERLINK "mailto:gathering at misera.net"A list about all things Killing
Joke (the band!) 

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:25 PM

Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's all
a load of ...

 

The States and Britain are now dealing with Thatcher's and Reagan's
children. Sucks, don't it?


 


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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:antoni at clara.net"antoni at clara.net
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:gathering at misera.net"gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:14:28 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's all
a load of ...

It's the toffs in "average middle class" working guy's clothing (a la David
Cameron) I object to ... Old Etonians, born to rule ... then again, even
under a Labour government that I craved for, the divide between rich and
poor seems to have got ever wider ... despite the many positive aspects of a
centre-left government, there still seems to be an illusion of democracy
(what with dodgy dossiers and pandering to big business) ... no wonder many
of the young-un's couldn't give a shit ... and even if they do, they are
probably materialistic and self-centred, so likely to vote for someone
dangling the same old carrots such as tax cuts ... what sort of career
prospects do many have ... a fast-food serving career path or drugs and
petty crime ... so, sorry, going off tangent a bit, middle class ? What am I
? Well, for all my centre left leanings, our family was probably lower
middle class ... my parents never went down the pub and didn't go to bingo
!!! Relatively poor compared with the working class family who lived next
door, who seemed to possess all the mod cons ... I don't think class really
is an issue for folks anymore, the lines are so blurred, most people are
somewhere in the middle ... 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: HYPERLINK "mailto:jpwhkj at aol.com"jpwhkj at aol.com 

To: HYPERLINK "mailto:gathering at misera.net"gathering at misera.net 

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:49 PM

Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...

 

Difficult to say - that quote applies here as well  Probably easier to say
who isn't:

 

chavs

Ade
errr...
that's it


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From: sade1 <HYPERLINK "mailto:saulomar1 at yahoo.com"saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <HYPERLINK
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Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:32
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...

  So, what is middle-class, according to Europeans and U.K.eans? 

I live in the United States and here "everybone is 'middle-class'."** 

 

**anyone remember this quote from 

  the film "Gods And Monsters"?

HYPERLINK "mailto:jpwhkj at aol.com"jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:

Phew, that's a relief!

 

Yes, I'm prejudiced - and I've yet to meet anyone who isn't (which I suspect
is what you were getting at).  For me, the question is how we deal with our
prejudices and how they affect our interation with the rest of the world.

 

And can I just check whether you are middle class? <grin>


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From: ade <HYPERLINK
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Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:05
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...

Nothing, I'm just prejudiced. Now tell you're not.



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