[kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

[powens]

I just cited the NY Dolls because they were so obviously influential on both
the US and UK punk scene. In "End of the Century" Joey says the NY dolls
were a prime influence and of course the NY Dolls were managed by McClaren
before he managed the Pistols.

If your going to cite the Stooges as punk you may as well go the whole hog
and go back as far as the MC5 and be done with it.

John-Paul

On 22/09/2007, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>

> Agreed. The Stooges' three records still sound feral and loose (pardon the

> pun) and exciting (wish I could say the same about THE WEIRDNESS, but alas

> -- can't).

>

> By the time I first heard the New York Dolls, I'd already heard the

> legions of crappy metal bands they'd inspired, thus they didn't sound as

> seismic as I'd read. I suppose in the dull, grey doldrums of the early

> 1970s, they probably sounded pretty revolutionary, though.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Sep 22, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Tim Bucknall wrote:

>

> the Stooges stuff has def  stood the test of time better than the dolls

> stuff , which sounds very dated

>

> but the stooges stuff sounds totally contemporary

>

>

> On 21/09/2007, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> >

> >  Kiss were *HUGELY* influenced by the `Dolls, there's no denying it

> > (Peter Criss was also friends with some of them). But I think the Punks cite

> > the `Dolls more for their spectacle-laden aesthetic, their "in your face"

> > attitude and their style of playing, which accented energy and aggression

> > over musicianship and finesse.

> >

> >

> > But yeah, no Stooges = no Punk Rock.

> >

> >

> > For his part, Johnny Rotten cites Alice Cooper as a massive influence

> > (and even wrote the `Coop's liner notes on his box set of a few years back).

> >

> >

> > Alex in NYC

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  On Sep 21, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Neil Perry wrote:

> >

> >  Nah, not me (not that I'm an 'original' punk...)

> >

> > I always presumed the first 'punk' band, in terms of a musical

> > style/nihilistic attitude, was The Stooges. Don't really count

> > the NY Dolls, but then never really rated them - to me if they

> > influenced anyone it was Kiss (which is another gulf between

> > US/UK perceptions).

> >

> > Why did the Sex Pistols cover 'No Fun'? The Stooges were 'punk' before

> > the

> > term/movement/whatever had been coined/invented.

> >

> > N

> >

> >

> > *Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com >* wrote:

> >

> > Are all the original brit-punks this easily offended?

> >

> > ----- Original Message ----

> > From: iPat

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:23:11 AM

> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

> >

> >

> > thats what gets peoples back up when it comes down to it, this rather

> > patronising attitude.

> >

> > >

> > > Anyway, my money's on the Brits.

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