[kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones
Alexander Smith
vassifer at earthlink.net
Sat Sep 22 15:51:12 EDT 2007
To be fair, McLaren "managed" the `Dolls in their death throes (`twas
his idea to garb them in red patent leather and adorn them with
communist imagery), well after their initial heyday.
Alex in NYC
On Sep 22, 2007, at 3:46 PM, powens wrote:
> I just cited the NY Dolls because they were so obviously
> influential on both the US and UK punk scene. In "End of the
> Century" Joey says the NY dolls were a prime influence and of
> course the NY Dolls were managed by McClaren before he managed the
> Pistols.
>
> If your going to cite the Stooges as punk you may as well go the
> whole hog and go back as far as the MC5 and be done with it.
>
> John-Paul
>
> On 22/09/2007, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Agreed. The Stooges' three records still sound feral and loose
> (pardon the pun) and exciting (wish I could say the same about THE
> WEIRDNESS, but alas -- can't).
>
> By the time I first heard the New York Dolls, I'd already heard the
> legions of crappy metal bands they'd inspired, thus they didn't
> sound as seismic as I'd read. I suppose in the dull, grey doldrums
> of the early 1970s, they probably sounded pretty revolutionary,
> though.
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Tim Bucknall wrote:
>
>> the Stooges stuff has def stood the test of time better than the
>> dolls stuff , which sounds very dated
>>
>> but the stooges stuff sounds totally contemporary
>>
>>
>> On 21/09/2007, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Kiss were *HUGELY* influenced by the `Dolls, there's no denying it
>> (Peter Criss was also friends with some of them). But I think the
>> Punks cite the `Dolls more for their spectacle-laden aesthetic,
>> their "in your face" attitude and their style of playing, which
>> accented energy and aggression over musicianship and finesse.
>>
>>
>> But yeah, no Stooges = no Punk Rock.
>>
>>
>> For his part, Johnny Rotten cites Alice Cooper as a massive
>> influence (and even wrote the `Coop's liner notes on his box set
>> of a few years back).
>>
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Neil Perry wrote:
>>
>>> Nah, not me (not that I'm an 'original' punk...)
>>>
>>> I always presumed the first 'punk' band, in terms of a musical
>>> style/nihilistic attitude, was The Stooges. Don't really count
>>> the NY Dolls, but then never really rated them - to me if they
>>> influenced anyone it was Kiss (which is another gulf between
>>> US/UK perceptions).
>>>
>>> Why did the Sex Pistols cover 'No Fun'? The Stooges were 'punk'
>>> before the
>>> term/movement/whatever had been coined/invented.
>>>
>>> N
>>>
>>>
>>> Leigh Newton < angrytomhanks at yahoo.com > wrote:
>>> Are all the original brit-punks this easily offended?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
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>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>>> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:23:11 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones
>>>
>>>
>>> thats what gets peoples back up when it comes down to it, this
>>> rather
>>> patronising attitude.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, my money's on the Brits.
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