[kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

Alexander Smith vassifer at earthlink.net
Sat Sep 22 15:51:12 EDT 2007



To be fair, McLaren "managed" the `Dolls in their death throes (`twas
his idea to garb them in red patent leather and adorn them with
communist imagery), well after their initial heyday.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 22, 2007, at 3:46 PM, powens wrote:


> I just cited the NY Dolls because they were so obviously

> influential on both the US and UK punk scene. In "End of the

> Century" Joey says the NY dolls were a prime influence and of

> course the NY Dolls were managed by McClaren before he managed the

> Pistols.

>

> If your going to cite the Stooges as punk you may as well go the

> whole hog and go back as far as the MC5 and be done with it.

>

> John-Paul

>

> On 22/09/2007, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Agreed. The Stooges' three records still sound feral and loose

> (pardon the pun) and exciting (wish I could say the same about THE

> WEIRDNESS, but alas -- can't).

>

> By the time I first heard the New York Dolls, I'd already heard the

> legions of crappy metal bands they'd inspired, thus they didn't

> sound as seismic as I'd read. I suppose in the dull, grey doldrums

> of the early 1970s, they probably sounded pretty revolutionary,

> though.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Sep 22, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Tim Bucknall wrote:

>

>> the Stooges stuff has def stood the test of time better than the

>> dolls stuff , which sounds very dated

>>

>> but the stooges stuff sounds totally contemporary

>>

>>

>> On 21/09/2007, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>> Kiss were *HUGELY* influenced by the `Dolls, there's no denying it

>> (Peter Criss was also friends with some of them). But I think the

>> Punks cite the `Dolls more for their spectacle-laden aesthetic,

>> their "in your face" attitude and their style of playing, which

>> accented energy and aggression over musicianship and finesse.

>>

>>

>> But yeah, no Stooges = no Punk Rock.

>>

>>

>> For his part, Johnny Rotten cites Alice Cooper as a massive

>> influence (and even wrote the `Coop's liner notes on his box set

>> of a few years back).

>>

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On Sep 21, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Neil Perry wrote:

>>

>>> Nah, not me (not that I'm an 'original' punk...)

>>>

>>> I always presumed the first 'punk' band, in terms of a musical

>>> style/nihilistic attitude, was The Stooges. Don't really count

>>> the NY Dolls, but then never really rated them - to me if they

>>> influenced anyone it was Kiss (which is another gulf between

>>> US/UK perceptions).

>>>

>>> Why did the Sex Pistols cover 'No Fun'? The Stooges were 'punk'

>>> before the

>>> term/movement/whatever had been coined/invented.

>>>

>>> N

>>>

>>>

>>> Leigh Newton < angrytomhanks at yahoo.com > wrote:

>>> Are all the original brit-punks this easily offended?

>>>

>>> ----- Original Message ----

>>> From: iPat

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:23:11 AM

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

>>>

>>>

>>> thats what gets peoples back up when it comes down to it, this

>>> rather

>>> patronising attitude.

>>>

>>> >

>>> > Anyway, my money's on the Brits.

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