[kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

[Christof hamille]

You tried sneaking in Slaughter and the Dogs.  It has been reported (on numerous times) that they were inspired by OTHER NYC bands like Velvet Underground (which they did a cover of), the New York Dolls (which they did a cover of),  David Bowie (not from NYC but probably did a cover), The Stooges (not from NYC) and others from that era.  THEN they saw the Ramones and it out a new twist on how they saw things.

At the end of the day who fucking cares

The Ramones are better anyways

Chris


> From: vassifer at earthlink.net

> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:43:40 -0400

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

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> "some romanticise, theorise, some experienced."

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> And some fail to see the forrest for the trees.

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> "For some punk was simply a bit of rock n roll whilst for others it  

> was a whole social phenomenon."

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> Late `70's NYC Punk and Later `70s British Punk are not the same  

> thing. There was a fair amount of mutation when it crossed over. NYC  

> Punk never claimed to be a political movement.

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> > "there were first wave bands totally uninfluenced by the ramones,  

> > proved that before and can prove it now."

> 

> Many of those same bands have gone on record -- including the  

> `Pistols -- as citing the NYC Punks (of whom the Ramones were but a  

> faction) as being a crucial influence. Listen to Steve Jones  

> (inarguably as vital a part of the Pistols' gestalt as Rotten, if not  

> even more so) -- for a start, on SOME PRODUCT -- Jones himself says  

> "we're not a political band, we're a party band" (reconcile that as  

> you will). And in THE FILTH AND THE FURY, Jones cops to borrowing  

> heavily -- if not wholesale -- from Johnny Thunders (also from NYC).

> 

> Obviously,  not EVERY British band cites NYC Punk -- I know the  

> Stranglers have more roots in British pub rock and the like  

> (Dr.Feelgood, etc.), but to try to assert that NYC Punk had nothing  

> to do with the Pistols, The Clash, The Damned, Buzzcocks etc. is  

> flatly ludicrous.

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> > "When i first saw it explode it was the music set to scenes of  

> > chaos and not dingy nightclubs with drag queens and self indulgent  

> > hippies."

> 

> Again, the UK scene and the NYC scene were very different beasts --  

> but one fed the other. And it was probably the armies of self- 

> indulgent BRITISH hippies who inspired the NYC scene to begin with.

> 

> > "to even try and pinpoint the single influence is arrogant and self

> > indulgent, a pointless exercise to satisfy the fantasies of an

> > impotent adolescent"

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> You're entitled to your interpretation, but you're simply denying a  

> flashpoint -- and a flashpoint that has been cited by scores of  

> British proponents, no less.

> 

> Again, British Punk and NYC Punk were very different things, but one  

> clearly fed and inspired the other. And if you can't recognize that,  

> it's YOU that's being the ignorant one.

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> On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:32 AM, iPat wrote:

> 

> > some romanticise, theorise, some experienced.

> > For some punk was simply a bit of rock n roll whilst for others it was

> > a whole social phenomenon.

> > there were first wave bands totally uninfluenced by the ramones,

> > proved that before and can prove it now.

> > When i first saw it explode it was the music set to scenes of chaos

> > and not dingy nightclubs with drag queens and self indulgent hippies.

> >

> > to even try and pinpoint the single influence is arrogant and self

> > indulgent, a pointless exercise to satisfy the fantasies of an

> > impotent adolescent. There were many influences and they came from

> > loads of different angles, a melting pot of social shifting with

> > musical breakdown. To not be able to see that is simply ignorant.

> >

> > On 9/21/07, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> >>

> >> And that proves what?

> >>

> >> Alex in NYC

> >>

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> >> On Sep 21, 2007, at 8:59 AM, iPat wrote:

> >>

> >>> i lived it

> >>>

> >>> On 9/21/07, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Face facts, Mary Poppins -- it started here. Get over it!

> >>>>

> >>>> Alex in NY motherfucking C!!!

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