[kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

[Alexander Smith]

"At the end of the day who fucking cares"

Chris wins.

The Ramones are (mostly) dead. CBGB is no more. The `Pistols are on  
their (by my count, third?) reunion tour.

Punk Rock is dead (cue Oliver getting very agitated indeed).

Ha!

Alex in NYC


On Sep 21, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Christof hamille wrote:


> You tried sneaking in Slaughter and the Dogs.  It has been reported  

> (on numerous times) that they were inspired by OTHER NYC bands like  

> Velvet Underground (which they did a cover of), the New York Dolls  

> (which they did a cover of),  David Bowie (not from NYC but  

> probably did a cover), The Stooges (not from NYC) and others from  

> that era.  THEN they saw the Ramones and it out a new twist on how  

> they saw things.

>

> At the end of the day who fucking cares

>

> The Ramones are better anyways

>

> Chris

>

> > From: vassifer at earthlink.net

> > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:43:40 -0400

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

> >

> > "some romanticise, theorise, some experienced."

> >

> > And some fail to see the forrest for the trees.

> >

> > "For some punk was simply a bit of rock n roll whilst for others it

> > was a whole social phenomenon."

> >

> > Late `70's NYC Punk and Later `70s British Punk are not the same

> > thing. There was a fair amount of mutation when it crossed over. NYC

> > Punk never claimed to be a political movement.

> >

> > > "there were first wave bands totally uninfluenced by the ramones,

> > > proved that before and can prove it now."

> >

> > Many of those same bands have gone on record -- including the

> > `Pistols -- as citing the NYC Punks (of whom the Ramones were but a

> > faction) as being a crucial influence. Listen to Steve Jones

> > (inarguably as vital a part of the Pistols' gestalt as Rotten, if  

> not

> > even more so) -- for a start, on SOME PRODUCT -- Jones himself says

> > "we're not a political band, we're a party band" (reconcile that as

> > you will). And in THE FILTH AND THE FURY, Jones cops to borrowing

> > heavily -- if not wholesale -- from Johnny Thunders (also from NYC).

> >

> > Obviously, not EVERY British band cites NYC Punk -- I know the

> > Stranglers have more roots in British pub rock and the like

> > (Dr.Feelgood, etc.), but to try to assert that NYC Punk had nothing

> > to do with the Pistols, The Clash, The Damned, Buzzcocks etc. is

> > flatly ludicrous.

> >

> > > "When i first saw it explode it was the music set to scenes of

> > > chaos and not dingy nightclubs with drag queens and self indulgent

> > > hippies."

> >

> > Again, the UK scene and the NYC scene were very different beasts --

> > but one fed the other. And it was probably the armies of self-

> > indulgent BRITISH hippies who inspired the NYC scene to begin with.

> >

> > > "to even try and pinpoint the single influence is arrogant and  

> self

> > > indulgent, a pointless exercise to satisfy the fantasies of an

> > > impotent adolescent"

> >

> > You're entitled to your interpretation, but you're simply denying a

> > flashpoint -- and a flashpoint that has been cited by scores of

> > British proponents, no less.

> >

> > Again, British Punk and NYC Punk were very different things, but one

> > clearly fed and inspired the other. And if you can't recognize that,

> > it's YOU that's being the ignorant one.

> >

> >

> > Alex in NYC

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:32 AM, iPat wrote:

> >

> > > some romanticise, theorise, some experienced.

> > > For some punk was simply a bit of rock n roll whilst for others  

> it was

> > > a whole social phenomenon.

> > > there were first wave bands totally uninfluenced by the ramones,

> > > proved that before and can prove it now.

> > > When i first saw it explode it was the music set to scenes of  

> chaos

> > > and not dingy nightclubs with drag queens and self indulgent  

> hippies.

> > >

> > > to even try and pinpoint the single influence is arrogant and self

> > > indulgent, a pointless exercise to satisfy the fantasies of an

> > > impotent adolescent. There were many influences and they came from

> > > loads of different angles, a melting pot of social shifting with

> > > musical breakdown. To not be able to see that is simply ignorant.

> > >

> > > On 9/21/07, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> And that proves what?

> > >>

> > >> Alex in NYC

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> On Sep 21, 2007, at 8:59 AM, iPat wrote:

> > >>

> > >>> i lived it

> > >>>

> > >>> On 9/21/07, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Face facts, Mary Poppins -- it started here. Get over it!

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Alex in NY motherfucking C!!!

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