[kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

[Neil Perry]

You took the words out of my, er, typing fingers Alex. That really was a jaw-dropping moment. I went to see them at Hammersmith when Cold Lake
came out. They looked and sounded bizarre, and you could tell they knew they'd just
screwed it all up. Even weirder was seeing them doing the older material
while wearing sparkly togs and sporting enormous hair.
Still, 15 years on, the new album ain't bad at all...
N

Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote: 
Celtic Frost's COLD LAKE album  -- groundbreaking death metal band  
GOES GLAM!


Alex in NYC



On Feb 22, 2007, at 6:19 PM, peter muckle wrote:


> I have to agree with you, Outside the Gate was a drastic change.

> Does anyone know of any similar band having such a drastic change  

> or will this go down as a record breaking event.

>

> Pete

>

>

>> From: Alex Smith 

>> Reply-To: Alex Smith ,"A list about all  

>> things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"  

>> , "A list about all things Killing Joke (the  

>> band!)" 

>> Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

>> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:52 -0500 (EST)

>>

>>

>> I don't remember being as crushed by hearing "Grimly Fiendish" by  

>> the Damned as I was when I first heard "Adorations" by the `Joke,  

>> but then -- I was always *way* more into the `Joke. Still not a  

>> fan of that single. When the album came out, there were at least a  

>> few tracks with oomph to them (notably "Chessboards" and  

>> "Rubicon") and its aged fairly well, I'd say, but it's never been  

>> one of my favorites.

>>

>> That all said, *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* can compare to the jaw- 

>> dropping disbelief and abject disapointment I felt when I first  

>> heard "America" (to say nothing of the rest of the album that  

>> spawned it).

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> >From: gingoblin at easynet.co.uk

>> >Sent: Feb 22, 2007 4:36 PM

>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"  

>> 

>> >Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

>> >

>> >Indeed, and an era for both bands that I now look back on and  

>> think "hmm,

>> >not the best really, no matter how hard I tried to convince myself

>> >otherwise at the time"!  Actually, wasn't keen on 1000 Suns when  

>> it came

>> >out either (and no, let's not start that one again!)

>> >

>> >

>> >At 20:39 22/02/2007 +0000, you wrote:

>> >>This was a new chapter for the damned, similar to the Killing  

>> Joke era of

>> >>1000 Suns.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> >From: "Jerry Butson" 

>> >> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> >> >band!)"

>> >> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> >> >

>> >> >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: in Defense of PHANTASMAGORIA by the Damned

>> >> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:50:52 +0000

>> >> >

>> >> >My vote for one of the Damned's finest vinyl moments goes to  

>> he 12" version

>> >> >of Alone Again Or in its breakneck speed, edited

>> >> >on-the-fly-with-a-pair-of-rusty-scissors version...fantastic!

>> >> >

>> >> >On 22/02/07, gingoblin at easynet.co.uk   

>> wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >>Yeah, I do kinda enjoy Phantasmagoria the very few times I  

>> play it these

>> >> >>days, but after all these years I've realised for it to  

>> REALLY be the

>> >> >>Damned, it needs Vanian/Scabies/Sensible. They've had their  

>> moments with

>> >> >>the different line-ups, but nothing even comes close to the  

>> amazing stuff

>> >> >>of the earlier years.   I remember hearing a comp CD in some  

>> pub... it was

>> >> >>absolute genius right up to Grimly Fiendish coming on, when I  

>> wished it

>> >> >>would just end. Kinda summed it up for me.

>> >> >>As for their "image"... as Scabies said, Vanian could dress  

>> as a binman

>> >> >>and

>> >> >>still look good, while he himself could put on the finest  

>> clothes and

>> >> >>still

>> >> >>be a mess!!

>> >> >>Must admit, can't stand Eloise... though that's possibly from  

>> it being the

>> >> >>"hit" and having heard it way too often over the years. The  

>> current

>> >> >>line-up

>> >> >>do the best version so far, but could still do without it!

>> >> >>Oh, and the Five Foot One thing... I came out and directly  

>> asked them

>> >> >>around that time, and they didn't own up!  I recall asking  

>> Rat if covering

>> >> >>Five Foot One had anything to do with Vanian's height (to  

>> which he replied

>> >> >>"oh, I wouldn't say that to him"!!). Ah, my ever-tactful youth!

>> >> >>

>> >> >>Dave in Edinburgh

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>At 09:15 21/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >Just a few words in defense of PHANTASMAGORIA. I was  

>> shocked as everyone

>> >> >> >else at said album's comparatively gloppy overproduction.  

>> Despite the

>> >> >> >funereal trappings, it owed more to the likes of Meat Loaf  

>> and Bonnie

>> >> >> >Tyler than it did to any Goth making the `rounds at the  

>> time (by

>> >> >> >comparison, the Sisters of Mercy sound like the Ramones).  

>> That said,

>> >> >>there

>> >> >> >were still some fine moments of pure pop on it (notably  

>> "Street of

>> >> >>Dreams"

>> >> >> >and "Grimly Fiendish", although "Is It A Dream?" is just  

>> crap across the

>> >> >> >board). I'm also a big fan of the non-album single  

>> "Eloise," another

>> >> >> >hoarily windswept and overproduced gem. Was in Punk? Not  

>> especially, but

>> >> >> >who cares?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >As a college freshman in 1985 out in the bowels of Ohio, I  

>> remember

>> >> >> >packing into a crowded station wagon to drive across scary,

>> >> >>backwoods-ass

>> >> >> >Midwestern pigfuck country to Kentucky to catch the Damned  

>> on the

>> >> >> >PHANTASMAGORIA tour (which, for some reason, bypassed the  

>> nearest city

>> >> >>to

>> >> >> >our school, Columbus). As over-the-top as their image and  

>> aesthetic had

>> >> >> >become (Hammer horror films, candelabras, graveyard  

>> shtick), they were

>> >> >>as

>> >> >> >full-on live as can be imagined (and yes -- quite definably  

>> PUNK in

>> >> >>every

>> >> >> >semblance of the term).

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >I've grown to quite like the PHANTASMAGORIA album as a  

>> result. There are

>> >> >> >some great moments on ANYTHING as well (notably their cover  

>> of "Alone

>> >> >> >Again Or" and the title track, which is essentialy a wafer- 

>> thin-re-write

>> >> >> >of Iggy Pops "Five Foot One"). I saw them again with Brian  

>> James et al.

>> >> >>on

>> >> >> >the tour that resulted in the FINAL DAMNATION tour (`90 or  

>> so?) at the

>> >> >>New

>> >> >> >Ritz, and they were endearingly shambollic. The last time I  

>> saw them was

>> >> >> >in the mid-90's at since-shuttered Coney Island High. I  

>> don't believe

>> >> >>Rat

>> >> >> >was in attendance, but Dave was there in all his ridiculous  

>> glory. It

>> >> >>was

>> >> >> >fun to see them, but it wasn't really "the Damned" as I'd  

>> grown to love.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >I haven't picked up a new album/single of theirs since I  

>> can't remember

>> >> >> >when, honestly. But I listened to a clutch of Damned tracks  

>> on my walk

>> >> >>to

>> >> >> >work this morning, and the mere fact that their catalog  

>> stretches from

>> >> >>the

>> >> >> >stripped-down velocity of "Fish" and "Neat Neat Neat"  

>> through to the

>> >> >> >ersatz psychedelia of the Naz Nomad stuff and onto their  

>> vanglorious

>> >> >> >opuses (opi?) like the afore-mentioned "Eloise" is a  

>> testament to their

>> >> >> >versatility.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Bless'em.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Alex in NYC

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----

>> >> >> > >From: Mike Porthouse 

>> >> >> > >Sent: Feb 21, 2007 4:02 AM

>> >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> >> >> > 

>> >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >Had the pleasure of seeing the current Damned line-up a  

>> couple of

>> >> >>times

>> >> >> > last

>> >> >> > >year (Vanian, Sensible, Stu, Pinch and Monty) and I have  

>> to say

>> >> >>they're

>> >> >>in

>> >> >> > >good form. Best I've seen them since the re-union shows  

>> in about 88 or

>> >> >>89.

>> >> >> > >Vanian and Sensible have a massive stage presence and  

>> they're now

>> >> >>playing

>> >> >> > >with good musicians. Always a good night out. Some good  

>> new songs and

>> >> >>a

>> >> >> > back

>> >> >> > >catalogue of classics. The only thing for me, which keeps  

>> them from

>> >> >>being

>> >> >> > >right up there with the best is their lyrics, which have  

>> never been

>> >> >> > anything

>> >> >> > >to get excited about.

>> >> >> > >BTW the recent MGE DVD release is very good for any  

>> Damned fans who

>> >> >>don't

>> >> >> > >already own it.

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >Mike Porthouse

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >----- Original Message -----

>> >> >> > >From: 

>> >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:32 PM

>> >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >> This was last July, and yes it WAS interesting to say the

>> >> >>least!  Fucking

>> >> >> > >> great, even if Casey Chaos's voice was shot.

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> They came VERY close to doing it with Dave and Cap, but  

>> that's

>> >> >>another

>> >> >> > >> story.  It is a shame though... 30 years comes round once.

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> There was talk of doing a few more dates, but nothing  

>> more than

>> >> >>that.

>> >> >>You

>> >> >> > >> never know though!

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> A couple of pics from the gig :

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/ 

>> 100ClubJuly6th20068.jpg

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/ 

>> 100ClubJuly6th20067.jpg

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> Dave

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> At 13:34 20/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

>> >> >> > >>>So the Brian James Gang thing made me curious again.   

>> Don't own the

>> >> >> > >>>release

>> >> >> > >>>but it sounds promising even the simplistic, idiotic  

>> lyrics.  Vocals

>> >> >>are

>> >> >> > >>>fine.  So I stumble across their (always dreaded)  

>> myspace page:

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >>http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm? 

>> fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friend

>> >> >> > id=106508478

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>and what do I see...

>> >> >> > >>>DAMNED 30th ANNIVERSARY LINE-UP:

>> >> >> > >>>Brian James-Guitar,

>> >> >> > >>>Rat Scabies-Drums

>> >> >> > >>>Mani-Bass

>> >> >> > >>>Casey Chaos-Voice

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>This could be interesting.  Shame they couldn't do it  

>> with Captain

>> >> >>and Rat

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>Anyone have anymore details???  IS there a snowballs  

>> chance in hell

>> >> >>thisis

>> >> >> > >>>coming to the US?  I would actually go see this

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>Chris

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>> >From: "TB" 



>> >> >> > >>> >Reply-To: TB 

,"A list  

>> about all things

>> >> >> > >>> >Killing

>> >> >> > >>> >Joke (the band!)"

>> >> >> > >>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> >> >> > >>> >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:10:33 -0800

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> >"Rob's Arse" wrote:

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> > >

>> >> >> > >>> > > Grave disorder really was a return to form but Not  

>> of this

>> >> >>Earth

>> >> >>was

>> >> >> > >>> > > terrible!

>> >> >> > >>> > >

>> >> >> > >>> > > I remember seeing them at the time with Scabies on  

>> drums,

>> >> >>Vanian

>> >> >>on

>> >> >> > >>> > > Vocals, Moose from NMA on bass with Kris Dollimore  

>> (Mr Session

>> >> >> > >>> > > guitar)

>> >> >> > >>> >and

>> >> >> > >>> > > Vanian's Grandad (wearing a LEATHER WASTECOAT).

>> >> >> > >>> > > I left that gig totally heartbroken. They were  

>> shitter than

>> >> >>shit.

>> >> >> > >>> > >

>> >> >> > >>> > > As an aside, we played wit teh Brian James Gang  

>> the other week

>> >> >>and I

>> >> >> > >>> >have

>> >> >> > >>> > > to say that Brian James is a lovely bloke. Shame  

>> there were

>> >> >>only

>> >> >>25

>> >> >> > >>> >people

>> >> >> > >>> > > at the gig!

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> >Did Brian have Dave Tregunna with him on bass? Any  

>> Lords tunes

>> >> >>played?

>> >> >> > >>> >More

>> >> >> > >>> >details, man!

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> >T.B.

>> >> >> > >>> >

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