[kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

[Alexander Smith]

Celtic Frost's COLD LAKE album  -- groundbreaking death metal band  
GOES GLAM!


Alex in NYC



On Feb 22, 2007, at 6:19 PM, peter muckle wrote:


> I have to agree with you, Outside the Gate was a drastic change.

> Does anyone know of any similar band having such a drastic change  

> or will this go down as a record breaking event.

>

> Pete

>

>

>> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>> Reply-To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all  

>> things Killing Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"  

>> <gathering at misera.net>, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the  

>> band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

>> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:52 -0500 (EST)

>>

>>

>> I don't remember being as crushed by hearing "Grimly Fiendish" by  

>> the Damned as I was when I first heard "Adorations" by the `Joke,  

>> but then -- I was always *way* more into the `Joke. Still not a  

>> fan of that single. When the album came out, there were at least a  

>> few tracks with oomph to them (notably "Chessboards" and  

>> "Rubicon") and its aged fairly well, I'd say, but it's never been  

>> one of my favorites.

>>

>> That all said, *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* can compare to the jaw- 

>> dropping disbelief and abject disapointment I felt when I first  

>> heard "America" (to say nothing of the rest of the album that  

>> spawned it).

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> >From: gingoblin at easynet.co.uk

>> >Sent: Feb 22, 2007 4:36 PM

>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"  

>> <gathering at misera.net>

>> >Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

>> >

>> >Indeed, and an era for both bands that I now look back on and  

>> think "hmm,

>> >not the best really, no matter how hard I tried to convince myself

>> >otherwise at the time"!  Actually, wasn't keen on 1000 Suns when  

>> it came

>> >out either (and no, let's not start that one again!)

>> >

>> >

>> >At 20:39 22/02/2007 +0000, you wrote:

>> >>This was a new chapter for the damned, similar to the Killing  

>> Joke era of

>> >>1000 Suns.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> >From: "Jerry Butson" <jerry at fleamusic.com>

>> >> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> >> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> >> ><gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: in Defense of PHANTASMAGORIA by the Damned

>> >> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:50:52 +0000

>> >> >

>> >> >My vote for one of the Damned's finest vinyl moments goes to  

>> he 12" version

>> >> >of Alone Again Or in its breakneck speed, edited

>> >> >on-the-fly-with-a-pair-of-rusty-scissors version...fantastic!

>> >> >

>> >> >On 22/02/07, gingoblin at easynet.co.uk <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk>  

>> wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >>Yeah, I do kinda enjoy Phantasmagoria the very few times I  

>> play it these

>> >> >>days, but after all these years I've realised for it to  

>> REALLY be the

>> >> >>Damned, it needs Vanian/Scabies/Sensible. They've had their  

>> moments with

>> >> >>the different line-ups, but nothing even comes close to the  

>> amazing stuff

>> >> >>of the earlier years.   I remember hearing a comp CD in some  

>> pub... it was

>> >> >>absolute genius right up to Grimly Fiendish coming on, when I  

>> wished it

>> >> >>would just end. Kinda summed it up for me.

>> >> >>As for their "image"... as Scabies said, Vanian could dress  

>> as a binman

>> >> >>and

>> >> >>still look good, while he himself could put on the finest  

>> clothes and

>> >> >>still

>> >> >>be a mess!!

>> >> >>Must admit, can't stand Eloise... though that's possibly from  

>> it being the

>> >> >>"hit" and having heard it way too often over the years. The  

>> current

>> >> >>line-up

>> >> >>do the best version so far, but could still do without it!

>> >> >>Oh, and the Five Foot One thing... I came out and directly  

>> asked them

>> >> >>around that time, and they didn't own up!  I recall asking  

>> Rat if covering

>> >> >>Five Foot One had anything to do with Vanian's height (to  

>> which he replied

>> >> >>"oh, I wouldn't say that to him"!!). Ah, my ever-tactful youth!

>> >> >>

>> >> >>Dave in Edinburgh

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>At 09:15 21/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >Just a few words in defense of PHANTASMAGORIA. I was  

>> shocked as everyone

>> >> >> >else at said album's comparatively gloppy overproduction.  

>> Despite the

>> >> >> >funereal trappings, it owed more to the likes of Meat Loaf  

>> and Bonnie

>> >> >> >Tyler than it did to any Goth making the `rounds at the  

>> time (by

>> >> >> >comparison, the Sisters of Mercy sound like the Ramones).  

>> That said,

>> >> >>there

>> >> >> >were still some fine moments of pure pop on it (notably  

>> "Street of

>> >> >>Dreams"

>> >> >> >and "Grimly Fiendish", although "Is It A Dream?" is just  

>> crap across the

>> >> >> >board). I'm also a big fan of the non-album single  

>> "Eloise," another

>> >> >> >hoarily windswept and overproduced gem. Was in Punk? Not  

>> especially, but

>> >> >> >who cares?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >As a college freshman in 1985 out in the bowels of Ohio, I  

>> remember

>> >> >> >packing into a crowded station wagon to drive across scary,

>> >> >>backwoods-ass

>> >> >> >Midwestern pigfuck country to Kentucky to catch the Damned  

>> on the

>> >> >> >PHANTASMAGORIA tour (which, for some reason, bypassed the  

>> nearest city

>> >> >>to

>> >> >> >our school, Columbus). As over-the-top as their image and  

>> aesthetic had

>> >> >> >become (Hammer horror films, candelabras, graveyard  

>> shtick), they were

>> >> >>as

>> >> >> >full-on live as can be imagined (and yes -- quite definably  

>> PUNK in

>> >> >>every

>> >> >> >semblance of the term).

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >I've grown to quite like the PHANTASMAGORIA album as a  

>> result. There are

>> >> >> >some great moments on ANYTHING as well (notably their cover  

>> of "Alone

>> >> >> >Again Or" and the title track, which is essentialy a wafer- 

>> thin-re-write

>> >> >> >of Iggy Pops "Five Foot One"). I saw them again with Brian  

>> James et al.

>> >> >>on

>> >> >> >the tour that resulted in the FINAL DAMNATION tour (`90 or  

>> so?) at the

>> >> >>New

>> >> >> >Ritz, and they were endearingly shambollic. The last time I  

>> saw them was

>> >> >> >in the mid-90's at since-shuttered Coney Island High. I  

>> don't believe

>> >> >>Rat

>> >> >> >was in attendance, but Dave was there in all his ridiculous  

>> glory. It

>> >> >>was

>> >> >> >fun to see them, but it wasn't really "the Damned" as I'd  

>> grown to love.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >I haven't picked up a new album/single of theirs since I  

>> can't remember

>> >> >> >when, honestly. But I listened to a clutch of Damned tracks  

>> on my walk

>> >> >>to

>> >> >> >work this morning, and the mere fact that their catalog  

>> stretches from

>> >> >>the

>> >> >> >stripped-down velocity of "Fish" and "Neat Neat Neat"  

>> through to the

>> >> >> >ersatz psychedelia of the Naz Nomad stuff and onto their  

>> vanglorious

>> >> >> >opuses (opi?) like the afore-mentioned "Eloise" is a  

>> testament to their

>> >> >> >versatility.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Bless'em.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Alex in NYC

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----

>> >> >> > >From: Mike Porthouse <Mike at rteltd.com>

>> >> >> > >Sent: Feb 21, 2007 4:02 AM

>> >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> >> >> > <gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >Had the pleasure of seeing the current Damned line-up a  

>> couple of

>> >> >>times

>> >> >> > last

>> >> >> > >year (Vanian, Sensible, Stu, Pinch and Monty) and I have  

>> to say

>> >> >>they're

>> >> >>in

>> >> >> > >good form. Best I've seen them since the re-union shows  

>> in about 88 or

>> >> >>89.

>> >> >> > >Vanian and Sensible have a massive stage presence and  

>> they're now

>> >> >>playing

>> >> >> > >with good musicians. Always a good night out. Some good  

>> new songs and

>> >> >>a

>> >> >> > back

>> >> >> > >catalogue of classics. The only thing for me, which keeps  

>> them from

>> >> >>being

>> >> >> > >right up there with the best is their lyrics, which have  

>> never been

>> >> >> > anything

>> >> >> > >to get excited about.

>> >> >> > >BTW the recent MGE DVD release is very good for any  

>> Damned fans who

>> >> >>don't

>> >> >> > >already own it.

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >Mike Porthouse

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >----- Original Message -----

>> >> >> > >From: <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk>

>> >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> >> >> > ><gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:32 PM

>> >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >> This was last July, and yes it WAS interesting to say the

>> >> >>least!  Fucking

>> >> >> > >> great, even if Casey Chaos's voice was shot.

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> They came VERY close to doing it with Dave and Cap, but  

>> that's

>> >> >>another

>> >> >> > >> story.  It is a shame though... 30 years comes round once.

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> There was talk of doing a few more dates, but nothing  

>> more than

>> >> >>that.

>> >> >>You

>> >> >> > >> never know though!

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> A couple of pics from the gig :

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/ 

>> 100ClubJuly6th20068.jpg

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/ 

>> 100ClubJuly6th20067.jpg

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> Dave

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> At 13:34 20/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

>> >> >> > >>>So the Brian James Gang thing made me curious again.   

>> Don't own the

>> >> >> > >>>release

>> >> >> > >>>but it sounds promising even the simplistic, idiotic  

>> lyrics.  Vocals

>> >> >>are

>> >> >> > >>>fine.  So I stumble across their (always dreaded)  

>> myspace page:

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >>http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm? 

>> fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friend

>> >> >> > id=106508478

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>and what do I see...

>> >> >> > >>>DAMNED 30th ANNIVERSARY LINE-UP:

>> >> >> > >>>Brian James-Guitar,

>> >> >> > >>>Rat Scabies-Drums

>> >> >> > >>>Mani-Bass

>> >> >> > >>>Casey Chaos-Voice

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>This could be interesting.  Shame they couldn't do it  

>> with Captain

>> >> >>and Rat

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>Anyone have anymore details???  IS there a snowballs  

>> chance in hell

>> >> >>thisis

>> >> >> > >>>coming to the US?  I would actually go see this

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>Chris

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>> >From: "TB" <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>

>> >> >> > >>> >Reply-To: TB <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>,"A list  

>> about all things

>> >> >> > >>> >Killing

>> >> >> > >>> >Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >> > >>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> >> >> > >>> ><gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >> > >>> >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> >> >> > >>> >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:10:33 -0800

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> >"Rob's Arse" wrote:

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> > >

>> >> >> > >>> > > Grave disorder really was a return to form but Not  

>> of this

>> >> >>Earth

>> >> >>was

>> >> >> > >>> > > terrible!

>> >> >> > >>> > >

>> >> >> > >>> > > I remember seeing them at the time with Scabies on  

>> drums,

>> >> >>Vanian

>> >> >>on

>> >> >> > >>> > > Vocals, Moose from NMA on bass with Kris Dollimore  

>> (Mr Session

>> >> >> > >>> > > guitar)

>> >> >> > >>> >and

>> >> >> > >>> > > Vanian's Grandad (wearing a LEATHER WASTECOAT).

>> >> >> > >>> > > I left that gig totally heartbroken. They were  

>> shitter than

>> >> >>shit.

>> >> >> > >>> > >

>> >> >> > >>> > > As an aside, we played wit teh Brian James Gang  

>> the other week

>> >> >>and I

>> >> >> > >>> >have

>> >> >> > >>> > > to say that Brian James is a lovely bloke. Shame  

>> there were

>> >> >>only

>> >> >>25

>> >> >> > >>> >people

>> >> >> > >>> > > at the gig!

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> >Did Brian have Dave Tregunna with him on bass? Any  

>> Lords tunes

>> >> >>played?

>> >> >> > >>> >More

>> >> >> > >>> >details, man!

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> >T.B.

>> >> >> > >>> >

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