[kj] Jaz Straw

Robert Mallett robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk
Thu Oct 12 15:26:45 EDT 2006


Judaism is both a faith AND an ethnicity, if I'm not mistaken. One can live 
an entirely secular lifestyle and still technically be Jewish.

Alex in NYC


precisely. thank you Alex
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From: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
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>
> Judaism is both a faith AND an ethnicity, if I'm not mistaken. One can 
> live an entirely secular lifestyle and still technically be Jewish.
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Robert Mallett <robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>
>>Sent: Oct 12, 2006 1:38 PM
>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>><gathering at misera.net>
>>Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz Straw
>>
>>Jew is a Religion
>>
>>No. Jewishness is a national identity as well as a religious ideology.
>>Hitler, bless him, regarded Jewish people as the lowest 'race' of all and
>>destined for annihilation.
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "flight Bringer" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
>>To: <gathering at misera.net>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 6:27 PM
>>Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz Straw
>>
>>
>>> "The fact that he's Jewish means I find it very suspicious that
>>> Straw of all people should raise a storm as controversial as this.No
>>> Peter, I'm not remotely rascist"
>>>
>>>  No ones accusing you of being a racist . Jew is a Religion (just like
>>> Islam) and not a race of people, so its impossible to be a racist for
>>> being derogatory towards Jews.
>>>  So why do you feel the need to mention that he is Jewish?
>>> Dont worry , its not a witch hunt . I just wondered why you feel that 
>>> him
>>> being Jewish means that you find it suspicious . Should nt people be
>>> judged on what they do or say rather than where they pray ?
>>>   Is your last paragraph connected ?
>>>
>>>   "I just know what people from that strata of
>>> society are like. Largely, they don't give a flying shit about you,
>>> me or anyone else. Don't say I didn't warn you."
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Robert Mallett" <robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>
>>>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>>><gathering at misera.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz Straw
>>>>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:34:59 +0100
>>>>
>>>>1)  The fact that he's Jewish means I find it very suspicious that Straw
>>>>of all people should raise a storm as controversial as this.No Peter, 
>>>>I'm
>>>>not remotely rascist;
>>>>
>>>>2) If he feels uncomfortable about women wearing hijabs then why 
>>>>publicise
>>>>it? Surely his staff in Blackburn could simply invite Muslim women to
>>>>remove the veil for reasons of etiquette? Of course he's promoting
>>>>himself! Don't be so fucking naive.
>>>>
>>>>3) No. The implication is that, yes he feels uncomfortable, but that he
>>>>thinks Muslim women in general are isolating themselves by wearing it. 
>>>>So,
>>>>he's trying to liberate them from this monstrous tyranny. Right on Jack!
>>>>
>>>>4) I'm not pessimistic I just know what people from that strata of 
>>>>society
>>>>are like. Largely, they don't give a flying shit about you, me or anyone
>>>>else. Don't say I didn't warn you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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