[kj] reasons why BTATS is gash

Janean Lancaster Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk
Tue May 9 06:35:23 EDT 2006


<<<<<<< a)  the first 45 seconds of 'Love Of The Masses' including that
fruity little break at around 42 secs.  The whole song sounds like Tears
For Fears. >>>>

 

At the risk of being forcibly unsubbed: I like TFF.  I told you; I'm no
snob.  Probably why LOTM is one of my favourite KJ tunes.

 

<<<<< g)  'Exile'... where are you lady?  I'm in Club Tech-Noir. >>>>>>

 

Ha!  That's funny.  And true.  Still like it though.  I do have
questionable taste...

 

Cheers,

Janean

 

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Subject: [kj] reasons why BTATS is gash

 

a)  the first 45 seconds of 'Love Of The Masses' including that fruity
little break at around 42 secs.  The whole song sounds like Tears For
Fears. 

b)  'The Southern Sky'.  horrible.

c)  the chorus in 'Victory' which ruins an otherwise sub-par but
inoffensive song.  the verses are probably one of the better things on
the album.  thin praise indeed.

d)  'Rubicon'.  ooh... sinister guitar intro.... gives way to a riff
which sounds like everything else on this fucking record.  Maybe it's
the production but this is the most samey album they've done.  Stupid
vocals on this track as well, sounds like a new romantic Chas and Dave.

e)  'Goodbye To The Village'... yet another weak, poppy chorus.
Non-descript bass.  the guitar sounds alright, even if the song sounds
like a poor Nighttime-era b-side.

f)  'Sanity'.... horrible beat, horrible 'woah-oh's, horrible chorus
(again), horribly undermixed guitar.  

g)  'Exile'... where are you lady?  I'm in Club Tech-Noir.  

h)  horrible production.  Even Chessboards sounds paper-thin compared to
the live version on NWOBFG.

i)  whats with all the slap-bass?

the whole album sounds much like the worst aspects of 80s synth-era Cure
and sits VERY uncomfortably between the 3 early albums and EDAVRE
onwards.

it has a few moments of okayness.  Adorations remains the strongest
thing on it IMO but is ruined by Jaz's choirboy vocals and that 'as pain
and joy and sorrow...' bit.

If Nighttime was chasing the dollar then BTATS grabbed it, put it in its
bra and did a whoreish lapdance.  Although partially I think it was
their attempt at being 'good' musicians even though Revelations shits on
BTATS for musicianship, attitude and variety.

Although people say that OTG isnt a true KJ album etc etc it could only
have followed this record.  If it had come out after any of the others
the sharp change in direction would have marked them out as commercial
whores who like being bummed in the gob.  BTATS softened the blow, so to
speak.



Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:

yeah, what we need are the Geordie demos for those two albums.

 

i agree with the king of potassium that BTATS sounds better the louder
you play it, precisely for the reason that it raises Geordie up in the
mix. shame the neighbours don't see it that way.
 

On 5/9/06, Jpwhkj at aol.com < Jpwhkj at aol.com <mailto:Jpwhkj at aol.com> >
wrote: 

You are right that the lyrics aren't up to much - but frankly Jaz's
lyrics have been on a terminal decline since he abandoned the "less is
more" approach... i.e. from Revelations onwards. (Lyrics on Revelations
and Fire Dances are ok, but not as good as 79-81.)

What *makes* Night Time is Geordie's guitar. From late '83 onwards (till
the sadly under-mixed BTATS) you can hear the full beauty of "a thousand
orchestras playing at once". 

Right, I'm off to listen to it now.

Jamie

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