[kj] (OT) /GM crops/Iran

[FLIGHT BRINGER]

Western Governments spend Billions of ££E's giving aid to Third world 
countries, its a massive operation to keep the World fed. Why would anyone 
produce GM crops which will add to starvation? If theres not enough food to 
go around now, why would Western Governments make the burden even bigger by 
introducing GM crops? Do you think its so we can have a Live aid every so 
often?
  OK , forget Iraq, that is all in the past (well, and present, but 
nevermind) how would you handle the forthcoming Iran problem? If you were 
George Bush what would you do?
   Iran wants to produce materials which can create Nuclear Bombs. Iran has 
refused Russia's offer of these materials and wants to produce its own in 
private. Iran has vowed to wipe Israel off the map. Israel will not sit back 
and watch Iran build nuclear capabilities.
     What is the solution? How would you handle the situation without the 
benefit of hindsight?


>From: "god botherer" <acroastic at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: RE: [kj] (OT) ID cards/GM crops/Iraq
>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:28:39 +0000
>
>Just to address one of many points you raise about my original message, 
>tests have shown that GM crops are ten times more likely to cross-pollinate 
>than normal crops. If you are an organic farmer working land adjacent to a 
>GM farmer you might as well give up, because like it or not you'll 
>eventually end up with GM crops; moreover GM crops with sterile seeds.
>
>In fact you needn't be adjacent. The wind, bees, etc. will ensure that 
>crops at a great distance will be affected.
>
>Unfortunately weeds are also transmuted and become immune to normal 
>pesticides. So, far from reducing the use of pesticides, GM crops 
>dramatically increase the need for incredibly strong pesticides with all 
>that this entails.
>
>I wouldn't view things any differently in the absence of a KJ lyric sheet.
>
>I'm not a seer or a prophet. It's not difficult to assess the possibilities 
>if you are aware. I'm not saying all these things will come to pass. They 
>won't if enough people are both aware and active.
>
>Unfortunately, a great many people live in a Fool's Paradise. Nations and 
>societies sleepwalk into disaster by small steps.
>
>I didn't need to be a visionary to see what a foolish move the invasion of 
>Iraq would be. I didn't need to be able to see into the future to recognise 
>that many innocent children would die, that tensions within the country 
>would be ratcheted up, that the country would become a magnet for all sorts 
>of anti-Western factions, that Muslims worldwide would be made more 
>sceptical, that this would only increase the threat of terrorism, that many 
>fine young men in the British and American armies would die futile deaths, 
>etc. etc.
>
>Many things are entirely predictable.
>
>Let's hope you're right though, and that the central authority will 
>continue to be the elected government. Mmmmm.
>
>gb
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "FLIGHT BRINGER" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>><gathering at misera.net>
>>To: gathering at misera.net
>>Subject: RE: [kj] (OT) ID cards/control
>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:29:16 +0000
>>
>>>The situation we are moving towards is one where all possible data is 
>>>held on each individual, including their political dissent, etc. In 
>>>addition, samples of your DNA will be held by the central authority - 
>>>just think of the possibilities there. Each individual's movements and 
>>>location at any time will be able to be tracked.
>>
>>***********They can have all the data they want on me, I have nothing to 
>>hide. I would be pleased if everybody in the UK had a DNA sample  stored 
>>in a huge data bank, There will be no anonyminity for the murderers,  
>>rapists and bombers. *****************
>>
>>
>>>Eventually the cards would be replaced by implants and who knows what the 
>>>technological limitations of those could be?
>>**********How do you know this. Have you been reading the lyric sheet 
>>again? We shall deal with the implant issue  if and when it 
>>arises.*************
>>
>>
>>>The central authority will be multinational and composed of an elite who 
>>>own the lion's share of the wealth.
>>***********The central authority will continue to be the elected 
>>government******
>>
>>
>>
>>>Any organised resistance to the status quo would be nigh-on impossible. 
>>>Doubtless, opponents of the Nazis in their day would have been branded 
>>>extremists.
>>********Can you see into the future? You seem to be making predictions and 
>>using these predictions as if they were actual facts********************
>>
>>
>>>The basic right to save seeds to plant for the following year's crop will 
>>>be taken away, since the GM crops, made with sterile seeds, will 
>>>overwhelm the non GM crops. If people are unable or unwilling to pay the 
>>>military/industrial/state rulers for new seeds, or are prohibited from 
>>>doing so, the only option will be starvation.
>>
>>******GM crops will grow alongside normal crops. Governments have failed 
>>miserably in trying to stop the growth of Heroin, Cocaine and Marihuana, 
>>what makes you think that they will be able to stop people growing plants 
>>that produce seed?************
>>
>>
>>>When the whole system collapses, as even this one must eventually, death 
>>>will already have been bred into organic life on earth. The future of the 
>>>planet will look even less rosy.
>>*******These cards will safe guard the future, these cards will stop the 
>>system from collapsing . These cards will stop people whose goal it is to 
>>make the system collapse****
>>
>>
>>This is no longer a paranoid projection of a distant future, but a
>>>simple conclusion concerning a development that is well under way before 
>>>your very eyes.
>>
>>********They are just introducing I.D cards which many other countries 
>>have .You are over reacting ******
>>
>>
>>
>>>Sun/Mail readers are 'educated' to lend their support with the 'if you've 
>>>got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear' argument, and the control 
>>>of immigration and terrorism arguments.
>>*********So how will it affect people who have nothing to hide and do not 
>>want society bought down and replaced by an alien force? What about the 
>>majority who are happy living in the status quo and who dont want change? 
>>Why should they be concerned?*****
>>
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