[kj] World Destruction

[B. Oliver Sheppard]

Crack,

Depends on what you mean by "communist" society. If you mean societies 
that have called themselves communist, like Stalin's USSR, the Khmer 
Rouge, etc., yeah, those regimes suck. But they cynically call 
themselves "communist," in spite of their policies, not because of them. 
Communism, at least as Marx meant it (and wasn't he some authority on 
the matter?), was a classless, stateless society, which would come after 
socialism -- and none of the examples you cited fit this bill. The USSR 
also said they were a union of Republics, and North Korea says it is the 
People's Democratic North Korea -- are either of them republics, or a 
democacy? Of course not. SO why why believe it when they say they're 
communist, then? Seems awfully selective. "North Korea says it is a 
Republic, therefore I hate any and every country that calls itself a 
Republic" -- that makes no sense.

Ruling elites often use nice-sounding words to get people to go along 
with them. Where/when socialist ideology is popular, people call 
themselves "socialist" or "communist" appeal to folks. The National 
Socialist Party of Germany (Nazis) -- that's some socialism, huh? Or the 
People's Republic of China. Yeah, what a republic (representative 
democracy) that is. What countries call themselves may or may not have 
anything to do with what their true nature is. That includes the USA, 
too, which also calls itself a republic. Because, you know, we did some 
free trade capitalistically to get all the land here to ship our 
freely-traded slaves in and such, to build our shining city on the hill, 
etc., etc.

-Oliver



Crack wrote:

>    I vehemently disagree with the ideals of communism  and the ideals  

> of a Communist society. The only people who can progress in communist  

> societies are Party members(or their family's) or people who are  

> subservient to the State .

>     Even the hardest working most intelligent man will not get  

> anywhere in a Communist society unless he is a Party member, and this  

> in effect suppresses peoples will to progress and succeed and  

> therefore the economy becomes stagnant.

>      Capitalism gives the masses the chance to progress and succeed ,  

> Capitalism gives people the freedom to move forward. Communism just  

> oppresses the masses and looks after the chosen few (Party members)

>

>

>

>

> From: "GREG SLAWSON" <gregslawson at msn.com>

>   

>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the  

>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Afrika Bambaataa & John Lydon (Time  

>> Zone)-WorldDestruction (1984)

>> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:59:48 -0500

>>

>>

>>

>> RUN-DMC, on the other hand, were true gems (poor Jam-Master Jay).  

>> That was back in the days when rap was FUN--as one friend used to  

>> describe it,a couple of guys standing on stage yelling at you. It  

>> seems like all the contemporary "gansta" rappers have slowed the  

>> music down, trying to sound sexy or tough. It's all so serious  

>> sounding (except for 70's funk-influenced underground rapper The  

>> Coup, who are former members of my communist group and still have  

>> the same politics...)

>>     

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