[kj] raven ect

Wed Jun 29 14:36:53 EDT 2005

hi blucy,yeah i thought what alex said about youth was comical------some 
took me wrong there mate,as 4 raven,i have spoken to him in chat,been in his 
company quite a few times--i dont think its a case that we dont get on,more 
of,we never got started yet,the ice needs to b broken on both sides--we act 
like strangers around 1 another and it shows,as 4 j n g=as if i have known 
them 4 ever,hay consider this,may b its a karmic thing,may b the silent 
tension between me n raven has its roots in a previous life--may b the 
absolute trust an total ease i feel with jaz n gordie is also sprung from a 
previous incarnation-n just continues into present life,i have always 
believed in reincarnation/cause n effect=karm,posative n negative,from about 
age 5 yrs

>From: bluce ree <bluceree2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Youth
>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:22:59 +0100 (BST)
>
>Good call.  Tina Weymouth (Talking Heads) is an
>excellent bassist.
>
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>--- Tim Bucknall <tim.bucknall at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't reckon Alex meant anything bad by that,
> > its just that its great when  you  come to a band
> > with no preconceived ideas
> > about what you should do and you learn and grow with
> > the band, like wobble
> > or the Girl in Talking heads
> >
> > i mean "the wait" is genius,   if he was like that
> > when he rejoined in 93
> > i'd never criticise him,
> > if you think about the kind of bassline some boring
> > metal head would play to
> > a song like the wait and then listen to youths bit,
> > its genius
> >
> > its odd that you didn't feel comfortable with
> > Blackbird, he's so down to
> > earth,
> > maybe you hadn't talked to him much when he was on
> > here, anyway everyones
> > different, glad you get on well with Jaz & G
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "melinda grant" <hollytree1961 at hotmail.com>
> > To: <gathering at misera.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Youth
> >
> >
> > > ooooooooooooooooo,very cutting"youth sounds like
> > he taught himself to
> > > play,wrong", ;-D but as u said,he was original at
> > least,i carnt help being
> > > fond of youth,i knew him,i still dont know
> > raven,we just do not meet on
> > any
> > > level--infact,i kinda feel uncomfortable around
> > him,where as with
> > > jaz--gordie,i feel very at ease,as if i have known
> > them 4ever......
> > > n when paul n youth were around,the same,but
> > raven!!!!!!! i carnt
> > understand
> > > it either.
> > >
> > > mel ldn uk.
> > >
> > > >From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > > >Reply-To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A
> > list about all things
> > > >Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> > > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > band!)"
> > > ><gathering at misera.net>,"A list about all things
> > Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > > >Subject: Re: [kj] Youth
> > > >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:09:14 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I think Raven is "technically" the better player,
> > but Youth had more
> > > >definable style (I can't think of another bass
> > player who sounds like he
> > > >does on the first three records). Youth sounds
> > more like he taught
> > himself
> > > >to play (i.e. "wrong" but cultivating an
> > inimitable style). That said, I
> > > >can't hear any of that style on PANDY through
> > KJ2003, suggesting that his
> > > >time away from the instrument may have have cost
> > him that style.
> > > >
> > > >Raven, by contrast, is a dependably competent
> > player, and seemingly
> > always
> > > >has been.
> > > >
> > > >ALex in NYC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Tim Bucknall <tim.bucknall at btinternet.com>
> > > >Sent: Dec 31, 2000 9:02 PM
> > > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > band!)"
> > > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > > >Subject: Re: [kj] Youth
> > > >
> > > >should have read "in tune" when comparing raven's
> > playing to youth's post
> > > >92
> > > >playing
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Tim Bucknall"
> > <tim.bucknall at btinternet.com>
> > > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > band!)"
> > > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > > >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 1:00 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: [kj] Youth
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > i think the reason you can hardly hear raven
> > is more down to the
> > mixing
> > > >that
> > > > > his actual playing,
> > > > > the mixing on his first prong album, makes me
> > want to trash the
> > speakers
> > > > >
> > > > > i agree that youth was better than good on the
> > first 3 albums, he was
> > > > > extraordinary,
> > > > >
> > > > > as for the Bass on KJ 03 the ones i can
> > actually really hear is "House
> > > >that
> > > > > pain built" which is obviously raven and
> > implant which is apparently
> > > >Geordie
> > > > > according to the people that know this stuff
> > > > > and apparently some of it is programmed,
> > > > > It's so brilliant Having Raven back, because
> > it basically means that
> > > >they
> > > > > can play anything they want live, any songs
> > from any period, can be
> > > > > performed tightly and tune
> > > > >
> > > > > i'll prob be on the chat for a bit if anyone
> > else is bored, if i
> > vanish
> > > >its
> > > > > because i've being forced to talk to my
> > relatives :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "melinda grant"
> > <hollytree1961 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: <gathering at misera.net>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:34 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [kj] Youth
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > youth was a better more choppy--melodic and
> > even funky twang bass
> > > >player
> > > > > > than raven--u can hear his lv of and 4 the
> > bass in any early
> > > >works--just
> > > > > > compare the difference to raven---half the
> > time,i can hardly hear
> > > >ravens
> > > > > > bass--thats now bland it is,n yes youth did
> > write those bass lines
> > > >--his
> > > > > > bass lines in the early days--of course he
> > n  gordie would
> > improvise
> > > > > > ect--chuk idears bak n 4th,but youth knew
> > his stuff,he was no
> > > >slakker-n
> > > > > > gordie knows his stuff,they complimented
> > each other beautifully n
> > > > > > intensly---as 4 k.j.o3 the bass is pritty
> > heavy on that,n really
> > > >rather
> > > > > > good,at last after all these yrs,raven is
> > catching up with youth,but
> > > >its
> > > > > > taken bloody yrs,n in the end,youth is the
> > better of the 2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mel ldn uk.    ps get youth bak full time
> > jaz,u know it makes sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: bluce ree <bluceree2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing
> > Joke (the band!)"
> > > > > > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > > > > > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
> > (the band!)"
> > > > > > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > > > > > >Subject: [kj] Youth
> > > > > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:39:19 +0100 (BST)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >This has probably been discussed before but
> > anyway...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Did Youth actually write the basslines on
> > KJ, WTF and
> > > > > > >revs?  Things like Exit, Empire Song and
> > Chop Chop
> > > > > > >have such brilliant basslines that manage
> > to be subtle
> > > > > > >but amazing.  It compliments the guitar
> > work rather
> >
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