Re: [kj] DON ¹ T FORGET TO VOTE

Fri Apr 8 17:59:29 EDT 2005

I dont beleive that they are being percecuted because of their life-style.
I believe that the general population is fed-up with a group of people who
are a law-unto-themselves.
     Im sure that on an individual basis Gypsies are nice people,The
government has been trying to integrate them into society by giving them
houses,Some have accepted and some have continued travelling.
     So Neil ,you recognise that their is a problem.What do you consider too
be the solution?

   Dub:How is the Gypsy community perceived in Ireland.

        PW

----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Perry" <neilfperry at btinternet.com>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] DON ¹ T FORGET TO VOTE

> Hmm, I didn't say there isn't a 'problem'. I just
> don't believe persecuting a group of people with the
> law because of their lifestyle is going to solve 'the
> problem'. I had some Gypsies in my class at school
> when I was about 13/14. They couldn't read or write,
> got the piss taken a lot, always in fights. But when
> you talked to them, made them feel like they weren't
> the target of everyone's collective hatred, they were
> nice kids.
> I'm not applying this little feel-good tale to the
> whole topic of Gypsy communities, I'm just saying that
> they are people like you and I, and their behaviour I
> believe has largely been forged by society's hostility
> towards them. More hostility won't solve anything,
> ever.
> N
>
>  --- Tim Bucknall <tim.bucknall at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > got to agree with Peter on that we had them round
> > here,
> >
> > peter.west410 wrote:
> >
> > >Neil angry:Shock, horror;-)
> > >
> > >    Have you ever had any Gypsies living near you
> > Neil?They are a
> > >nuisance,They leave a filthy mess behind every
> > place they stay,They will
> > >steal every and anything and not only that they are
> > hard bastards.
> > >   Once they start to respect people and places
> > ,start paying tax and rates
> > >,And stop causing distress and fear to local people
> > then they will not be
> > >singled out for harsh treatment.
> > >    When Gypsies came and squat on land near me
> > ,Everyone gives them their
> > >bicycles , lawnmowers and all the contents from
> > their garden sheds.Its
> > >better to give rather than get stolen from.
> > >      PW
> > >
> > >"Vote on government plan to lower age of consent
> > for
> > > gay sex to 16."
> > >
> > >   Jonathan King and Jacko were said to be outside
> > Parliament shouting
> > >"Lower, Lower"
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Neil Perry" <neilfperry at btinternet.com>
> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > band!)"
> > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:38 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [kj] DON ¹ T FORGET TO VOTE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Anyone thinking of voting Tory, did you all miss
> > the
> > >>recent vile, tabloid-lead 'fuss' over the Gypsies?
> > The
> > >>Tories just stopped short of suggesting they
> > should
> > >>all be shoved into gas chambers. Yet Michael
> > Howard
> > >>uses his Jewishness as an excuse to go 'What me?
> > >>Racist? I couldn't possibly be. I'm Jewish."
> > Fucker.
> > >>N
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>yeah but shes a fucking tory! have you forgotten
> > the
> > >>>destruction of
> > >>>many working peoples rights thanks to their
> > >>>policies?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>her recent voting history.
> > >>>Prevention of terrorism bill (3rd reading) -
> > >>>28.2.2005
> > >>>MPs voted on an amendment to make all control
> > orders
> > >>>at the discretion
> > >>>of a judge. Rebels voted in favour. The amendment
> > >>>was defeated and the
> > >>>bill given its third reading.  For
> > >>>Prevention of terrorism bill (2nd reading) -
> > >>>23.2.2005
> > >>>Second reading of a bill to introduce control
> > orders
> > >>>for terrorist
> > >>>suspects. Rebels voted against.  Against
> > >>>Identity cards - 20.12.2004
> > >>>MPs voted on the second reading of the
> > government's
> > >>>identity cards
> > >>>bill. The Conservative frontbench supported the
> > >>>measure, with Labour
> > >>>and Tory rebels voting against  For
> > >>>Hunting ban - 15.9.2004
> > >>>The government reintroduced a bill to ban
> > foxhunting
> > >>>and hare
> > >>>coursing, to be debated and voted on over the
> > course
> > >>>of one day. MPs
> > >>>voted 356 to 166 in favour of the ban.  No vote
> > >>>Higher education funding bill - 27.1.2004
> > >>>MPs voted on the second reading of the
> > government's
> > >>>higher education
> > >>>bill - which included plans for variable student
> > >>>tuition fees. Rebels
> > >>>voted against.  Against
> > >>>Lords Amendment on foundation hospitals -
> > 19.11.2003
> > >>>
> > >>>MPs voted to reverse the Lords¿ decision to
> > remove
> > >>>references to
> > >>>foundation hospitals from the health and social
> > care
> > >>>bill. Rebels
> > >>>voted against. The amendment was defeated by 17
> > >>>votes.  Against
> > >>>Rebel Amendment on Foundation Hospitals -
> > 8.7.2003
> > >>>MPs voted on Frank Dobson's amendment to remove
> > >>>references to
> > >>>foundation hospitals from the health and social
> > care
> > >>>bill. Rebels
> > >>>voted in favour. The amendment was defeated by 35
> > >>>votes.  For
> > >>>Total ban on hunting with dogs - 30.6.2003
> > >>>Rebel motion to ban hunting with dogs outright.
> > >>>Rebels voted in
> > >>>favour. The motion was carried.  Against
> > >>>Foundation hospitals rebel amendment - 7.5.2003
> > >>>MPs voted on an amendment opposing the creation
> > of
> > >>>foundation
> > >>>hospitalsRebels voted in favour. The amendment
> > was
> > >>>defeated.  No vote
> > >>>Amendment to government Iraq motion - 18.3.2003
> > >>>MPs debating the Iraq crisis voted on an anti-war
> > >>>amendment. Rebels
> > >>>voted in favour. The motion was defeated.
> > Against
> > >>>Anti-war amendment in the Iraq debate - 26.2.2003
> > >>>MPs voted on an amendment tabled by Chris Smith
> > and
> > >>>Douglas Hogg. The
> > >>>amendment was not carried. Rebels voted in
> > favour.
> > >>>Against
> > >>>All-appointed Lords - 4.2.2003
> > >>>Motion to appoint all peers in a future House of
> > >>>Lords. The prime
> > >>>minister backed the introduction of this option.
> > >>>Cabinet rebels voted
> > >>>against, although this was a free vote. Motion
> > was
> > >>>defeated.  Against
> > >>>All-elected Lords - 4.2.2003
> > >>>Motion to introduce a fully elected House of
> > Lords.
> > >>>The leader of the
> > >>>Commons backed this option. All MPs given a free
> > >>>vote.  Against
> > >>>UN resolution 1441 - 25.11.2002
> > >>>Liberal Democrat amendment limiting justification
> > >>>for war with Iraq
> > >>>without further UN sanction. Rebels voted for the
> > >>>amendment.  Against
> > >>>Adoption and children - 4.11.2002
> > >>>Vote on government plan to allow unmarried and
> > gay
> > >>>couples to adopt
> > >>>children. Supporters voted for. The motion was
> > >>>passed.  Against
> > >>>Morning sittings of the House of Commons -
> > >>>29.10.2002
> > >>>Proposal to reform Commons working hours to
> > >>>introduce morning sittings
> > >>>and end business at 7.30pm. Supporters voted for
> > the
> > >>>motion.  Against
> > >>>Emergency Iraq debate - 24.9.2002
> > >>>Procedural motion to adjourn the house following
> > >>>emergency recall.
> > >>>Rebels voted against. Motion was lost.  No vote
> > >>>Licensing of hunting with dogs - 18.3.2002
> > >>>A compromise proposal to allow foxhunting to
> > >>>continue under licence  For
> > >>>Full ban on hunting with dogs - 18.3.2002
> > >>>Proposal to completely ban hunting wild mammals
> > with
> > >>>dogs. Supporters
> > >>>voted in favour.  Against
> > >>>Opposition to single faith schools - 6.2.2002
> > >>>Rebel amendment to require faith schools to take
> > 25%
> > >>>of pupils from
> > >>>other backgrounds.  Against
> > >>>Home Office anti-terrorism legislation -
> > 21.11.2001
> > >>>Vote on the contoversial bill giving the
> > governemnt
> >
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