RE: [kj] DON ¹ T FORGET TO VOTE/Gulf War Dance

[Juliet Pleming]

Yes, it is remarkable how civilised the political discussion has been. 

Juliet 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of Tim Bucknall
Sent: 07 April 2005 17:45
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] DON ¹ T FORGET TO VOTE/Gulf War Dance

somethings funny i never got Gregs email, but i got this one fine
anyway yes the USA was supposed to have been asked by Saddam if they 
would object to a invasion of Kuwait and the us said "we're not 
interested in your inter-arab quarrels"

as much as i object to the kuwaiti regime
 i think we couldn't have really not gone to war in 1990/1, as  i 
mentioned there had even been british bases in Kuwait in the 60's it 
would have just looked terrible, if we'd left them to it

I wouldn't have objected if we'd finished the job the first time round

but after all that time it just seemed odd
the way the second war was presented to us was the wierdest thing i've 
ever seen in my life, it really looked like they decided to invade on 
one mans whim
I heard that the first time Bush & Blair met just after Bush got 
elected  they talked about Iraq then,
blah! whatever

anyway Its been a pleasure airing this stuff with you guys anyway, if we

can stay civil when we're talking politics then theres no reason for 
any  bitchiness about anything else on this list!


Mark Kolmar wrote:

>I'm all for the eventual disappearance or irrelevance of international
>borders.  But in the current situation you can't very well allow one
>nation to annex another sovereign nation (such as it is).  And you
>also can't allow a dictator to flout international law (such as it is)
>indefinitely.
>
>I recall the so-called confusion about the U.S. giving Iraq the nod
>had to do with the U.S. not getting involved with border disputes. 
>But a full-on annexation is not a mere border dispute, such as
>Kashmir.
>
>I was in favor of both Iraq wars *on balance*.  I was not in favor of
>the rushed timelines and the overall poor way they were handled.
>
>--Mark
>
>On Apr 7, 2005 6:48 AM, gregslawson at aol.com <gregslawson at aol.com>
wrote:
>  
>
>>Tim Dude, 
>>I don't think it means much to call Kuwait a "sovereign power". It is
a
>>country with only 60,000 citizens!!!!!!!! Most of the other people who
live
>>there (it must be about a million or so, right?)  are laborers, many
>>immigrants, with very few rights. Sounds like a large slave colony to
me.
>>The first Gulf War was also about the US controlling oil, just like
the
>>recent one was. In fact, a couple of days before the US invaded, they
told
>>Iraq it was ok with them to invade Kuwait. Then Bush I went through a
whole
>>bunch of rationales for the war, and they planted yellow ribbons
everywhere
>>to win the public to it (I remember during the first week or so of the
war,
>>many opposed it. We marched on a major road in Boston, blocking
traffic for
>>about 20 minutes during rush hour, and all people did was honk and
wave in
>>support! Then the propoganda took over, and everyone seemed pro-war,
more
>>than they are now).
>>    
>>
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