[kj] gathering message board

[Paul Rangecroft]

>From: "Patrick Davies" <Patrick.Davies at subsea7.com>
>
>Because of unscrupulous bootlegging of links, it seems a tad bit harsh
>to demand the removal of a board that some (not me) deem as an essential
>part of their desire of all things killing joke - which isn't that much
>once you wade through most of the waffle.

firstly, i'm not demanding anything. why such harsh language? it was a mere 
suggestion! and i seriously doubt it's essential to anyone. some people like 
it, sure. but wouldn't the same people enjoy joe's boards just as much. it's 
the content, not where it's posted that matters. joe's boards would have the 
same meaningful on-topic content but without the spam and antagonist posts. 
hence the _suggestion_.

>So the dilemma is whether the urls of these files need to be posted on
>this board or not, or even on any board as they might fall into the
>hands of pirates

no, that's not the dilemma. they don't need to be posted. end of story. they 
were bought by a gatherer for the gathering. if people consider themselves 
serious fans of the band who deserve these tracks then they should join the 
list. there is simply too much danger of bootlegging to post these links on 
a public forum. this is my opinion.

>This raises two questions (maybe more but im busy), the first being is
>there a need for them to be put on such a public forum and could another
>method be more productive to the aims of the person posting the URL.

that's the same question.

>The second being is whether or not the bootlegging is actually a serious
>issue. While I will happen by chance to be in Camden this weekend while
>visiting London, I vary rarely am there and so don't really purchase
>bootlegged copies. The sale of such copies are probably very low and if
>anything will be bought by the connoisseur who may well have the same
>material in many different formats anyway.
>
>Lets face it, it wont be surprising to realise that KJ is not a
>household name and many of the people I knew who used to attend their
>gigs with religious fervour hardly buy music anymore let alone keep up
>with the goings on of what many see as has beens (one accusation that we
>have seen on this list b4.
>
>So a few bootlegs is not really diverting financial resources away from
>the band or the fine work done by several off shoots. If anything, it
>may well be a more subliminal way of promotion.

what a contorted crock. raven was pissed off about the astoria cd, wasn't 
he? what further evidence do you need???!

>The real issue it would seem to a casual passer by, is that some people
>want their way to be everyones way. Shut the board is cry and the excuse
>it the misuse of mp3 links. The reasons though are elsewhere and more
>self motivated I suspect.

honestly, it's not about that. i have nothing to gain from closing the 
gathering message board. i'm barred from joe's boards so actually i have 
something to lose. what self-motivated reasons do you suspect me of having?

>The fact that people want to share amongst like minded peers that they
>may or may not know is a credit to the characters, and whoever chooses
>to abuse that acts sincerity will face their own karma.

i'm sure that argument would go down well with the band.

>To deny a whole
>section of other people something that they value to suit the prejudices
>of a few is tyranny.

again, such extreme language. suggesting we close one board down so that the 
very same people can move to a more regulated one - "tyranny!" you sound 
slightly ridiculous. it's not about suiting prejudices. (you haven't even 
explained to which prejudices you refer. you just offered some vague 
speculation that it may be self-motivated.) it's about preventing playing 
into the hands of the bootleggers, which we have already established the 
band (or at least raven) are not happy about.

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