[kj] Bootlegs on line- now tone talk
fluw
gathering@misera.net
Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:50:45 -0500
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-----mark says<<<Do you mean the power amp clipping into distortion, or =
neither pre or
power clipping?>>-----------
no, power amp distortion.=20
not clipping, just a slight compression followed by an open dynamic =
release - due to the input spiking.=20
essentially meaning - not the boxy preamp clipped saturation ala... =
santana, slash, etc which would include most of geordie's post '90 sound =
.
preamp distortion is a bottle neck to an incoming audio signal forcing =
the sound into a limited space to create a sense to the listener that =
the top volume has been reached. then once that singal as been squashed =
into a mini train wreck it is then reamplified in it's angry poodle =
altered state to a power amp. problem is, the signal, being limited or =
contained(squashed), has no more room to expand to represent dynamics of =
the performance and so, to a degree, no matter how much harder a note =
within a cluster of notes is struck it can never separate dynamically =
from the pack at which point you begin to arrive at tones like..... =
santana, eric johnson and water torture two dimensional crap like that.
if your in a room with a live amp in preamp clipping mode then leave, =
the "feeling" from the volume will become weak sounding, although it =
will have characteristics of being loud. now do the same with an amp =
playing at the same volume but minus the preamp clipping and sound will =
not 'feel' as weak, in comparison it will be coming through the walls
and you will still feel the concussion of the notes impacting the =
environment.
to be even more circumlocutive about this...to me the difference between =
pre amp clipping and power amp distortion is similar to the difference =
between a recording of a cannon going off being blasted from large =
speakers in front of you, and a real cannon going off in front of you. =
obviously both will be intense and likely make you deaf (huh?) but the =
recording will only be loud. the real one will be a three dimensional =
event that is heard and felt in an entirely different way. =20
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=20
> one reason for his current tone is probably due to preamp =
distortion. it
> is frustrating because the preamp chug gives the listener the =
illusion
> of volume and intensity which sounds good initially but it can wear =
thin
> and anemic lacking those punchy dynamics of the unadulterated tone =
and
> chime of rich power amp voltage spikes.
Do you mean the power amp clipping into distortion, or neither pre or
power clipping?
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>-----mark says<<<Do you mean =
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clipping?>>-----------</FONT><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>no, power amp distortion. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>not clipping, just a slight compression followed by =
an open=20
dynamic release - due to the input spiking. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>essentially meaning - not the boxy preamp =
clipped=20
saturation ala... santana, slash, etc which would include most=20
of geordie's post '90 sound .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>preamp distortion is a bottle neck to an =
incoming=20
audio signal forcing the sound into a limited space to create a =
sense to=20
the listener that the top volume has been reached. then once that singal =
as been=20
squashed into a mini train wreck it is then reamplified in it's angry =
poodle=20
altered state to a power amp. problem is, the signal, being limited =
or contained(squashed), has no more room to expand =
to represent=20
dynamics of the performance and so, to a degree, no matter how much =
harder a=20
note within a cluster of notes is struck it can never separate =
dynamically from=20
the pack at which point you begin to arrive at tones =
like..... =20
santana, eric johnson and water torture two dimensional crap like=20
that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>if your in a room with a live amp in preamp clipping =
mode then leave, the "feeling" from the=20
volume will become weak sounding, although it will have=20
characteristics of being loud. now do the same with an =
amp playing at=20
the same volume but minus the preamp clipping and sound will =
not 'feel'=20
as weak, in comparison it will be coming through the=20
walls</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>and you will still feel the concussion of the notes =
impacting=20
the environment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>to be even more circumlocutive about this...to me =
the=20
difference between pre amp clipping and power amp=20
distortion is similar to the difference between a =
recording=20
of a cannon going off being blasted from large speakers in front of =
you,=20
and a real cannon going off in front of =
you. obviously both will=20
be intense and likely make you deaf (huh?) but the recording will =
only be=20
loud. the real one will be a three dimensional event that is =
heard and=20
felt in an entirely different way. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>> one reason for his =
current tone=20
is probably due to preamp distortion. it<BR>> is frustrating =
because the=20
preamp chug gives the listener the illusion<BR>> of volume and =
intensity=20
which sounds good initially but it can wear thin<BR>> and anemic =
lacking=20
those punchy dynamics of the unadulterated tone and<BR>> chime of =
rich=20
power amp voltage spikes.<BR><BR>Do you mean the power amp clipping =
into=20
distortion, or neither pre or<BR>power =
clipping?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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