[kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here?

[Cliff and Kara Livingston]

damn this ot is getting thick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alexander Smith" <vassifer@earthlink.net>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here?


> 
> My comment was only an assertion that I obviously touched a nerve with 
> you given your own particular background. To suggest that I'm 
> prejudiced against all Christians because I don't like Christian Rock 
> is like saying I hate all Indians because I don't happen to like 
> Chicken Vindaloo.
> 
> I'm perfectly comfortable with my comments about Christian Rock. If you 
> wanna go listen to it -- you have fun. You being an ex-Evangelical is 
> your own problem. If you want to think I'm prejudiced because I don't 
> like Christian Rock, then fine -- think that.
> 
> Personally speaking, I'm not a a particular fan of *ANY* religion. As 
> far as I'm concerned, it's a herculean waste of time, but I don't 
> begrudge others for their adherence to the faith of their choice. Just 
> don't ask me to partake.
> 
> Happy Holidays.
> 
> Alex in NYC
> 
> 
> On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 09:41 PM, culture.virus wrote:
> 
> > So were you actually going to respond with a reasoned defense of why 
> > your statement was not prejudiced or were you just going to play some 
> > sort of passive aggressive ad hominem game. Or have you decided that 
> > since I once self identified as evangelical that I am obviously below 
> > you and am not capable of seeing things in a objective light? Simply 
> > reinforcing an air of prejudice with the comment below may just be a 
> > wind-up but if not then would you please explain why you are not 
> > prejudiced towards people of a particular faith?
> >
> > At 02:34 PM 12/20/03, you wrote:
> >
> >> " And as a former evangelical Xian myself..."
> >>
> >>
> >> Ah, there we go then. That explains it.
> >>
> >> Alex in NYC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote:
> >>
> >>> That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was 
> >>> that the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's music 
> >>> is not of the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact their label 
> >>> pulled their records from the shelves of Xian bookstores because 
> >>> they are something of an anathema to that particular part of the 
> >>> Xian subculture. And as a former evangelical Xian myself I'm well 
> >>> aware of the subculture and it's  thought patterns. I also know that 
> >>> there are hundreds of bands in that genre who just want to make the 
> >>> best music they can while not betraying firmly held religious 
> >>> beliefs. Their music may reflect their beliefs, but they don't have 
> >>> conversion as their primary focus.
> >>>
> >>> I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only 
> >>> music by Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical 
> >>> statement. I've never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any form 
> >>> and for any off color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter West 
> >>> fiasco somebody used the term "ragheads" to describe Islamic people 
> >>> and was roundly chastised. Two days ago bluceree (and others in the 
> >>> past) called Xians "god-botherers" and not an eyebrow raised. It's 
> >>> really sad and laughable at the same. The one thing that won't be 
> >>> tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what you said?
> >>>
> >>> At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote:
> >>>> I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to 
> >>>> Christian rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only 
> >>>> goal the conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners 
> >>>> often listen to no other music, for fear of being sinners. By the 
> >>>> way, religious reggae music is usually Rastifarian, which is a 
> >>>> different religion that Christianity (although it has aspect of it, 
> >>>> as well as Judaism). I don't think it's prejudiced to criticize a 
> >>>> type of music that is only bent on converting people, and tends to 
> >>>> have listeners that are intolerant of others (such as gays and 
> >>>> atheists).
> >>>
> >>> I am culturevirus
> >
> > I am culturevirus
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