[kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here?

Alexander Smith gathering@misera.net
Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:25:22 -0500


My comment was only an assertion that I obviously touched a nerve with 
you given your own particular background. To suggest that I'm 
prejudiced against all Christians because I don't like Christian Rock 
is like saying I hate all Indians because I don't happen to like 
Chicken Vindaloo.

I'm perfectly comfortable with my comments about Christian Rock. If you 
wanna go listen to it -- you have fun. You being an ex-Evangelical is 
your own problem. If you want to think I'm prejudiced because I don't 
like Christian Rock, then fine -- think that.

Personally speaking, I'm not a a particular fan of *ANY* religion. As 
far as I'm concerned, it's a herculean waste of time, but I don't 
begrudge others for their adherence to the faith of their choice. Just 
don't ask me to partake.

Happy Holidays.

Alex in NYC


On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 09:41 PM, culture.virus wrote:

> So were you actually going to respond with a reasoned defense of why 
> your statement was not prejudiced or were you just going to play some 
> sort of passive aggressive ad hominem game. Or have you decided that 
> since I once self identified as evangelical that I am obviously below 
> you and am not capable of seeing things in a objective light? Simply 
> reinforcing an air of prejudice with the comment below may just be a 
> wind-up but if not then would you please explain why you are not 
> prejudiced towards people of a particular faith?
>
> At 02:34 PM 12/20/03, you wrote:
>
>> " And as a former evangelical Xian myself..."
>>
>>
>> Ah, there we go then. That explains it.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote:
>>
>>> That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was 
>>> that the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's music 
>>> is not of the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact their label 
>>> pulled their records from the shelves of Xian bookstores because 
>>> they are something of an anathema to that particular part of the 
>>> Xian subculture. And as a former evangelical Xian myself I'm well 
>>> aware of the subculture and it's  thought patterns. I also know that 
>>> there are hundreds of bands in that genre who just want to make the 
>>> best music they can while not betraying firmly held religious 
>>> beliefs. Their music may reflect their beliefs, but they don't have 
>>> conversion as their primary focus.
>>>
>>> I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only 
>>> music by Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical 
>>> statement. I've never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any form 
>>> and for any off color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter West 
>>> fiasco somebody used the term "ragheads" to describe Islamic people 
>>> and was roundly chastised. Two days ago bluceree (and others in the 
>>> past) called Xians "god-botherers" and not an eyebrow raised. It's 
>>> really sad and laughable at the same. The one thing that won't be 
>>> tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what you said?
>>>
>>> At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote:
>>>> I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to 
>>>> Christian rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only 
>>>> goal the conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners 
>>>> often listen to no other music, for fear of being sinners. By the 
>>>> way, religious reggae music is usually Rastifarian, which is a 
>>>> different religion that Christianity (although it has aspect of it, 
>>>> as well as Judaism). I don't think it's prejudiced to criticize a 
>>>> type of music that is only bent on converting people, and tends to 
>>>> have listeners that are intolerant of others (such as gays and 
>>>> atheists).
>>>
>>> I am culturevirus
>
> I am culturevirus
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