[Scons-users] SCons popularity

Sat Jun 13 12:20:45 EDT 2015

All,

I think we should try to address the webpages that Pawel has linked.  The
Gentoo page is especially troublesome because many of the arguments made
simply aren't true. Maybe they were valid with old versions, but it is more
likely that the blog writer didn't understand SCons and just got frustrated.

V/R,
William

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 12:15 PM, William Blevins <wblevins001 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Pawel,
>
> I want to generalize Vasily's statement.  I already addressed this SCons
> functionality misunderstanding in my earlier post, but I may have been too
> sarcastic and no one read it or took it seriously.
>
> You can pass any variable to the SCons environment with "scons
> MYVAR=something" exactly the same way you can with Make:
> http://www.scons.org/doc/HTML/scons-user/ch10s02.html
>
> The Debian page explicitly tells Make users to support
> http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#Command-Variables.  As
> long as your SCons build also supports them, then I don't understand the
> rub.  After all, Make doesn't have a default install target or a default
> DESTDIR usage, so the real issue here may be that packagers using SCons
> haven't made any effort to conform to GNU standards.  That's unfortunate in
> its own right.
>
> I agree with the others here that having a GNU-support wrapper for SCons
> would be convenient, but isn't be hard to accomplish without a wrapper IHMO.
>
> V/R,
> William
>
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Vasily <just.one.man at yandex.ru> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I was talking about those. I believe you can override their default
>> values by passing them as arguments, like
>> $ scons all INSTALL_ROOT=some-path
>>
>> That would need some testing, though - I did not try setting it to a
>> directory *not* under SConstruct's directory.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Vasily
>> 13 июня 2015 г. 16:58 пользователь "Paweł Tomulik" <
>> ptomulik at meil.pw.edu.pl> написал:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> thanks for info, I didn't know about this (I didn't know too much about
>>> Parts in fact, except there is such project). I let myself to skim
>>> through Parts' user guide. There are variables such as INSTALL_ROOT,
>>> INSTALL_BIN, which control installation process. Did you mean these
>>> ones? Do they have corresponding command line options/variables?
>>>
>>> W dniu 12.06.2015 o 21:49, Vasily pisze:
>>> > Hi everybody,
>>> >
>>> > Sorry for hijacking your thread, but most of the stuff you're talking
>>> > here, especially prefixes, bindir and such, are already implemented in
>>> > Parts (parts.tigris.org <http://parts.tigris.org>).
>>> > Did you look there?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Vasily
>>> >
>>> > 12 июня 2015 г. 21:00 пользователь "Paweł Tomulik"
>>> > <ptomulik at meil.pw.edu.pl <mailto:ptomulik at meil.pw.edu.pl>> написал:
>>> >
>>> >     W dniu 12.06.2015 o 19:00, Russel Winder pisze:
>>> >     > On Fri, 2015-06-12 at 12:32 +0200, Paweł Tomulik wrote:
>>> >     >>
>>> >     > […]
>>> >     >> Some time ago I've started similar project:
>>> >     >> https://github.com/ptomulik/scons-gnu-build/. It implements
>>> most of
>>> >     >> the
>>> >     >> autotools' variables (bindir, and friends) in the sense that
>>> they may
>>> >     >> be
>>> >     >> passed from command-line (and/or shell environment) to scons
>>> >     >> environment. It also provides a flexible framework for defining
>>> >     >> custom
>>> >     >> variables "shared" between user/os and scons environment. There
>>> are
>>> >     >> also
>>> >     >> few other things such as standard autoconf tests implemented
>>> and some
>>> >     >> extra checks (e.g. recognizing available compilers, compiler
>>> >     >> versions,
>>> >     >> checking for compiler/linker flags availabililty). The missing
>>> part
>>> >     >> is
>>> >     >> the installer  functionality (I think of specialized installers
>>> for
>>> >     >> binaries, python libs, man pages, shared libraries etc.). If
>>> you're
>>> >     >> interested, we could join efforts somehow?
>>> >     >
>>> >     > I have a variety of bits and pieces relating to supporting
>>> >     > prefix/bindir/libdir etc. processing using defaults, config
>>> files,
>>> >     > environment variables, command line arguments for installing
>>> which I
>>> >     > have never found time/energy to form up into a properly
>>> structured
>>> >     > SCons support package.
>>> >     >
>>> >     > It may be that others have something as well, perhaps better
>>> than what
>>> >     > I have. In any event if there was a project for adding such
>>> extensions
>>> >     > to SCons so that there was a group of people working on things, I
>>> >     would
>>> >     > be happy to contribute.
>>> >     >
>>> >     > I will check out this repository over the weekend.
>>> >     >
>>> >
>>> >     There also was a thread about a year ago (2014, 09 may) on
>>> scons-dev
>>> >     (search for title "prefix, bindir, datadir, libdir, etc.").
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     --
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>>>
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