[kj] Governments Should Stop Being A Killing Joke - The Light truthpaper interviews Jaz

Thu Apr 8 09:29:43 EDT 2021

 My apologies- I meant the Japanese would disagree with the idea that masks don't help to restrict disease. Currently here (Japan, that is), we have a much lower rate of COVID infection than most First World countries, and I would say roughly 99% of the population wear masks whenever they're in public. I do too, not least because there is something of a stigma attached to NOT wearing a mask when you're out and about. The Japanese have always been quick to wear masks when they have a cold or it's hay fever season, but it's even more prevalent now. 

Jim.
     On Thursday, 8 April 2021, 21:51:22 GMT+9, Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:  

 #yiv8003174193 #yiv8003174193 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv8003174193 
Not sure which point is being differed with here. Lesley Lee doubts the efficacy of masks. Jim Harper says the Japanese wouldn't agree -- but with which? The efficacy of masks or Lesley Lee's refutation of same? 
Make are not a cure. Hell, VACCINES are not a cure. They merely boost your body's immune system. But there have been numerous studies to suggest that masks definitively help in stemming the spread. If you want to beg to differ with science, however, you go right ahead.  You know best, of course.
Alex in NYC

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From: Paul 
Sent: Apr 8, 2021 8:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [kj] Governments Should Stop Being A Killing Joke - The Light truthpaper interviews Jaz

I think most people would disagree, but then that seems to be the point at this stage. Back to square one. Looking like a two tier society on the horizon, vaccinated and non vaccinated. As if things were not bad enough : (

Normally I'd be a little more optimistic, but it's hard to see any silver linings these days. Anyway, sorry, just feeling a bit down, off work with an injured cuff rotator, so feeling useless. It'll pass : )
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 12:57, Jim Harper via Gathering <gathering at misera.net> wrote:

 I think most people in Japan would disagree.     On Thursday, 8 April 2021, 20:54:16 GMT+9, Lesley Lee <lesleyslee at live.co.uk> wrote:  

 "...the wearing of masks has been demonstrably effective in curtailing the contagion"

No. It hasn't.

From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net> on behalf of Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
Sent: 03 April 2021 18:35
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] Governments Should Stop Being A Killing Joke - The Light truthpaper interviews Jaz 
I mean, on the one hand, it really is "classic" Jaz Coleman. There has truly never been a point wherein he HASN'T be preoccupied with conspiracies. From "Are You Receiving?" through PYLON (and, I guess, "The Day The Earth Went Mad," not that I bought that), Jaz's worldview has been singularly defined by an inherent skepticism about (and a contrarianism towards) the party line, so to speak. It's what he is. It's what he does. It's nothing new. But, I have to say, in this instance, it gives me pause. He's certainly said some outrageously indefensible things in the past ("I want to be a suicide bomber," etc.), but the puffy-chested espousal of not wearing masks in this instance just strikes me as a bridge too far. Okay, for the sake of argument, let's go along with Jaz's assertion that the pandemic (notice I did not put that word in quotation marks?) was a weaponized, orchestrated initiative --- even if that *was* indeed the case, the wearing of masks has been demonstrably effective in curtailing the contagion. So, whether it was caused by a sinister cabal or it was indeed some kind of accident or natural occurrence is immaterial. By not wearing a mask and endorsing same, he is being willfully irresponsible and ostensibly putting his fellow human being at risk by his lack of consideration. This is all my interpretation and opinion, so ... y'know ... make of it what you will, but I find this particular stance pretty indefensible (not too unlike Lydon backing Trump). My two cents.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Were Wolf 
Sent: Apr 3, 2021 12:07 PM 
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
Subject: Re: [kj] Governments Should Stop Being A Killing Joke - The Light truthpaper interviews Jaz

It does sound ominous when he says:
"I am the archetypal fool; I will talk about the things people don't want to talk about. I will continue to do so, until they shut me up. When that is? Couldn't give a fuck!"
I feel the guy has a right to free speech and free expression as we all should as individuals with our own personal opinions and beliefs, while not agreeing 100% with everything he says.
There has in fact been a backlash over the past few weeks from the BBC, Tories and Lib Dems to that particular issue being pushed through people's letterboxes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56420379

|  | Covid-19 leaflets: How pandemic disinformation went offlineIf you thought misleading coronavirus information was just circulating online - think again.www.bbc.co.uk |

https://www.libdemvoice.org/the-word-truth-is-being-hijacked-by-fake-news-conspiracy-theorists-who-claim-their-dark-ideas-are-light-67040.html

|  | The word “truth” is being hijacked by fake news conspiracy theorists who claim their dark ideas are light - Liberal Democrat VoiceThere have been too many victims of Covid-19. People for whom coronavirus was the primary cause of death. Many others whose death was accelerated or whose recovery from other diseases was ...www.libdemvoice.org |

http://www.wellington-today.co.uk/article.cfm?id=119727&headline=Anti-vaccine

|  | Anti-vaccine paper ‘pedals conspiracy theory madness’DISTRIBUTION of anti-Covid vaccination newspaper The Light to homes in Wellington and surrounding areas was this week condemned in the strongest terms by Somerset county councillor John Thorne.www.wellington-today.co.uk |

The Guardian was a bit more balanced and actually interviewed the guy who produces the paper.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/27/truthpaper-the-anti-lockdown-newspaper-bypassing-online-fact-checkers

|  | How an anti-lockdown 'truthpaper' bypasses online factcheckers | Newspapers & magazines - the GuardianW hen the factcheckers tried to find the source of a viral photo that was spreading across Facebook, they were confused. The picture – which had been uploaded by users in the UK, US, Australia ...www.theguardian.com |

From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net> on behalf of Stephen Robinson via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: 02 April 2021 09:15
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Subject: Re: [kj] Governments Should Stop Being A Killing Joke - The Light truthpaper interviews Jaz 

https://thelightpaper.co.uk/assets/pdf/The-Light-Issue-6.pdf

‘kin’ Hell…
I can honestly hope the '#cancelled mob'™ don’t hear about this.
In the past this would have been ignored as the raving of an idio,err eccentric artist, but now, it’s career ending. 
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