[kj] Killing Joke Portland setlist, Sept 2, 2018 + notes about the Seattle show

[B. Oliver Sheppard]

Trump's a very narcissistic and jealous person who's probably been
resentful of Hillary's access to circles of power, and has been eager to
join them, ie inviting them to his wedding. Regardless, his policies are
atrocious. You could take the least well-connected person in the world and
make them president,, and if their policies suck, then they would need to
be kicked out of office. But in any event, Trump comes from money, more
than Bill did. The idea he's any sort of outsider is laughable, his
attempts to paint himself that way to the contrary. Have you been to Hope,
Arkansas? That place is a true southern yahoo shithole of a town. I had to
drive through it all the time to go visit relatives in Tennessee, en route
from Texas. It's amazing Bill came from it and did not become a flaming
reactionary white nationalist, and that Trump came from money and NYC and
has become that.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 8:32 AM Adam Helfer via Gathering <
gathering at misera.net> wrote:

> It’s more that Hilary/Clinton’s are involved in these groups like “Council
> on Foreign Relations” etc that puts them in that category-
> Trump isn’t anywhere close to that..
>
> Certainly not saying that in any way to defend Trump.
>
> And I’m not sure if the anti Hilary people in Texas level of understanding
> goes as far as knowing those groups.
>
>  But just saying that trump is small potatoes compared to the clintons in
> those regards
>
> Adam
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2018, at 9:12 AM, B. Oliver Sheppard <
> b.oliver.sheppard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's probably it. I live in Texas and get frustrated with people who see
> Hillary as some sort of part of "the elite establishment," yet not Trump,
> who is like your classic gilded age industrialist who is dabbling in
> politics and was well connected in the same New York arena of politics that
> Hillary and his buddy Rudy Giuliani were and are (Trump came from a more
> privileged background than Bill did, actually). Nevertheless, every Trump
> supporter I know insists things are getting better since Trump was elected,
> so for Jaz to come out and say "things are getting worse" is sort of
> counter to that.. Then again, that's Jaz's shtick -- things are ALWAYS
> getting worse, always, for ever and ever, lol. For Jaz to come out and say,
> "You know, things are looking up in the world these days" would be jarring.
>
> -0liver
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 7:51 AM Jim Harper via Gathering <
> gathering at misera.net> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately I have a suspicion that Jaz is one of those people whose
>> hatred of Hilary Clinton prevents them from coming out and saying that
>> Trump is a colossal disaster. It's not a viewpoint that I entirely
>> understand, but there you go :)
>>
>> Jim.
>>
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