[kj] Ha
Paul Rangecroft
paul.rangecroft at gmail.com
Wed Oct 25 15:45:03 EDT 2017
Aleph already posted a link to the other songs they played which were:
The Hum
Fall of Because
Chop-chop
We Have Joy
Empire Song
Change
Bloodsport
Tension
Complications
The Wait
Birds of a Feather
Exit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tW2UzzbG9I&feature=youtu.be
On 10/25/17, Nick Scott via Gathering <gathering at misera.net> wrote:
> I don't personally find it odd they did not do a studio version. Clearly
> they
> were batting around ideas with their new bassist during touring and it most
> certainly is not the only time a KJ song has been scrapped. :)
>
> Looking closer to the Larry's Hideaway gig in Toronto that HA was recorded
> from
> on the 9th August 1982 of which unfortunately there is no full setlist
> detailed,
> the closest gig with full listing to that was on the 7th August 1982 at
> Clutch
> Cargo, Detroit. I would reckon the setlist would be nearly if not all
> exactly
> the same.....
>
> The Hum
> The Fall of Because
> Pssyche
> Chop-Chop
> The Pandys Are Coming
> Take Take Take
> Sun Goes Down
> We Have Joy
> Empire Song
> Change
> Bloodsport
> Complications
> Wardance
>
>> On 25 October 2017 at 19:40 Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I wasn't suggesting that was the only time they ever played it, but it
>> seems odd that they never did a studio version. It's possible I'm
>> being too cynical, though - I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
>>
>> Now that's a proper set list! What a tragedy there was a technical
>> problem, it was obviously a blistering performance.
>>
>> Jamie: were you pronouncing it to rhyme with "car" - all posh like?!
>> If so I think maybe you deserved their contempt!
>>
>> On 10/25/17, Nick Scott via Gathering <gathering at misera.net> wrote:
>> > That is a very cynical viewpoint of E'G ;), no such tactics "Take Take
>> > Take"
>> > was
>> > part of their repertoire circa 1982, a quick look on setlist.fm confirms
>> > that.
>> >
>> > The latter half of 1982 with a few gigs in the US and Canada then back
>> > to
>> > the UK
>> > shows them including a few songs from 'Fire Dances' recorded in
>> > February-March
>> > 1983.
>> >
>> > I can assume that with the newly assigned Raven on bass they were in the
>> > process
>> > of writing and trying out songs for the forthcoming album, "Take Take
>> > Take"
>> > is
>> > one that hit the cutting room floor. Seeing that "Ha" was rushed out in
>> > November 1982 and as you say the recording machine broke if anything is
>> > cynical
>> > it is E'G cashing in on what few tracks they had.
>> >
>> > I have always noticed very much a similarity in tone but amended chord
>> > progression and tempo between the guitar riff of "Good Samaritan" and
>> > "Take
>> > Take
>> > Take".
>> >
>> > Maybe "Take Take Take" was considered alongside "Sun Goes Down" as a B
>> > Side
>> > for
>> > "Birds Of A Feather", who knows, although a studio version does not look
>> > likely,
>> > I am sure with remasters etc we would have heard it by now.
>> >
>> > This is a setlist from Glasgow on 26th October 1982, same setlist on
>> > 27th
>> > October 1982 in Manchester.
>> >
>> > 1. The Hum
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Hum
>> > 2. The Fall of Because
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Fall+of+Because
>> > 3. Pssyche
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Pssyche
>> > 4. Sun Goes Down
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Sun+Goes+Down
>> > 5. The Pandys Are Coming
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Pandys+Are+Coming
>> > 6. We Have Joy
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=We+Have+Joy
>> > 7. The Gathering
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Gathering
>> > 8. Take Take Take
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Take+Take+Take
>> > 9. Empire Song
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Empire+Song
>> > 10. Change
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Change
>> > 11. Chop-Chop
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Chop-Chop
>> > 12. Lust Almighty
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Lust+Almighty
>> > 13. Tension
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Tension
>> > 14. Bloodsport
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Bloodsport
>> > 15. Wardance
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Wardance
>> > 16. Birds of a Feather
>> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Birds+of+a+Feather
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On 23 October 2017 at 21:56 Paul Rangecroft
>> >> <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> There are bootlegs out there of other songs recorded at the same
>> >> gig
>> >> (actually two nights?) including Birds of a Feather, I think. Yes,
>> >> apparently the recording machine broke because someone (Conny
>> >> Plank?)
>> >> used tape that was too heavy. There answer is in The Gathering
>> >> archives somewhere. Mike Coles was reading some posts out to
>> >> Geordie
>> >> and he commented on this.
>> >>
>> >> I always assumed Take Take Take was deliberately left off
>> >> everything
>> >> else simply to increase sales of Ha!. KJ were never above such
>> >> tactics, particularly in the E'G years.
>> >>
>> >> On 10/23/17, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Ah I see, thanks. Always liked TTT - one of Geordie's weirdest
>> >> riffs,
>> >> > always wanted to hear a beefy studio version.
>> >> > Never too late, eh...
>> >> >
>> >> > On 23 October 2017 at 14:47, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I think more was recorded but the story I recall is that there
>> >> was
>> >> a
>> >> >> malfunction so this was all they could use. Certainly nothing in
>> >> the
>> >> >> vaults
>> >> >> when I had access to them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> TTT. No idea! Not really the greatest of songs so maybe they
>> >> didn’t
>> >> >> bother
>> >> >> with studio time. Shame really for documentation....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On 23 Oct 2017, at 13:33, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'm sure these questions have been covered before but what
>> >> with
>> >> >> > the failing memory these days, I'll bring them up again.
>> >> >> > Anyone know whether there were more songs recorded at the Ha
>> >> gig,
>> >> >> > or was this in fact the whole gig? If there were more songs,
>> >> why
>> >> have
>> >> >> > we not heard them?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Take Take Take - what is the story behind this song? Why was
>> >> it
>> >> never
>> >> >> > on a studio recording, and was it ever played any other time
>> >> apart
>> >> >> > from
>> >> >> > on this tour? Has Jaz or anyone from the band ever spoken
>> >> about
>> >> this
>> >> >> song?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > These things still bug me, 35 years on.
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