[kj] Lecture last night
jpwhkj at aol.com
jpwhkj at aol.com
Mon Jun 22 17:34:31 EDT 2015
Yes, spot on.
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From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 22:00
Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
Would he not be better using his considerable abilities to tackle
actual issues
that are affecting the world, instead of make-believe
ones? It's not as if there
is any shortage of genuinely scary shit
going on - e.g. NSA surveillance, police
in cahoots with the
media/phone hacking etc.
I do love Jaz and his music but I
despair at the bollocks he talks. If
it's part of the package then I'd rather
that than nothing, just think
it's a shame he doesn't use his powers for
good.
On 6/22/15, Brad Sims <elduce at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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rob.say what you like about the man, jaz is a charismatic
> bloke. maybe he has
a tendency to talk a lot of old bollocks on occasion,
> but who doesn't? if he
was a "normal" man with conventional ideas, what
> would killing joke be? i
like the drama of it all, even if i don't go along
> with all of his views,it
makes good lyrics to accompany the sound of the
> band. plus, you all know you
love it really, so stop pretending you don't,
> just to look aloof and cool. you
wouldn't be here otherwise would you?
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> From: rob.moss at gmx.com
> Date: Mon, 22
Jun 2015 14:05:15 +0100
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture
last night
> CC: jpwhkj at aol.com
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> I like Jaz a great deal. I like his
intelligence and his passion and I think
> he is the sort of charismatic
individual that could quite easily start a
> cult. He does already have a cult
following really. And that's why I am
> always wary of him and have never been a
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> I'm wary of all people like him whether they are musicians,
politicians,
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distance!!
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Once upon a time, KJ lyrics were brief, mysterious, and, er,
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Simpson-talking-to-Homer voice)
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our 30+ year relationship with this band. For a large part of
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beliefs have shaped
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accept those beliefs as fact. Jaz has spent a lifetime
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practising
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irritating, and to hear he's gone down the chemtrail route is particularly
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condensation trails - that is why the real name is
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trails are - clouds of ice. That is why they hang there, and slowly
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over. This is not mystical or esoteric, it is idiocy of the
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Geordie want to take 100
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I think) to complete a
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various temples. I
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well-established Hindu
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moon.
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identify their inner genius. The idea is, IIRC, to then
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moon in the UK, and then again a year later to see how
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game of two halves. The first half was about
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various conspiracy-theory spokes that come out
> of that topic. So we heard that
the 100-year-old Rockefeller is at the
> centre of the NWO and wants to finish
his project before he dies. And we
> heard about FEMA camps, about vapour trails
dropping nano worms, control of
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in the water….
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so a bit hard for me to put
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moderately engaging in places, when the break
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that my two pals (who aren’t fans) had left
> early; I wasn’t surprised. You had
to be very sympathetic to Jaz to sit
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cases wildly exaggerated claims.
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he spoke of a US senator who did or found
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it was but it was alarming), but he
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verified? Why wouldn’t you name
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research.
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exaggeration: he mentioned that a
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by implication, has some great
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but c’mon, are we
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tight? Are we
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prime ministers,
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suddenly, in
> the very final years of his life, as he’s getting towards 100 and
going to
> die, thinks to himself, ‘I know, I’m going to become really close to
that
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toes
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part-time
> along with 14,000 other people who I also don’t know. I’m going to
let this
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everything.’
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dwelt a bit more on the spiritual,
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as the road he steered through
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needed resurfacing in places.
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I’m sure there’s lots I‘ve
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in with Coleman and I
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