[kj] Lecture last night

Mon Jun 22 17:00:26 EDT 2015

Would he not be better using his considerable abilities to tackle
actual issues that are affecting the world, instead of make-believe
ones? It's not as if there is any shortage of genuinely scary shit
going on - e.g. NSA surveillance, police in cahoots with the
media/phone hacking etc.

I do love Jaz and his music but I despair at the bollocks he talks. If
it's part of the package then I'd rather that than nothing, just think
it's a shame he doesn't use his powers for good.

On 6/22/15, Brad Sims <elduce at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> i agree with rob.say what you like about the man, jaz is a charismatic
> bloke. maybe he has a tendency to talk a lot of old bollocks on occasion,
> but who doesn't? if he was a "normal" man with conventional ideas, what
> would killing joke be?  i like the drama of it all, even if i don't go along
> with all of his views,it  makes good lyrics to accompany the sound of the
> band. plus, you all know you love it really, so stop pretending you don't,
> just to look aloof and cool. you wouldn't be here otherwise would you?
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> From: rob.moss at gmx.com
> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 14:05:15 +0100
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
> CC: jpwhkj at aol.com
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> I like Jaz a great deal. I like his intelligence and his passion and I think
> he is the sort of charismatic individual that could quite easily start a
> cult. He does already have a cult following really. And that's why I am
> always wary of him and have never been a "follower".
> I'm wary of all people like him whether they are musicians, politicians,
> business leaders, religious sorts. Entertaining. At a distance!!
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> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
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> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
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> CC: jpwhkj <jpwhkj at aol.com>
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> centre of the NWO and wants to finish his project before he dies. And we
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> supposed to believe that Rockefeller, who knows presidents, prime ministers,
> celebrities and the other four people that run the universe, suddenly, in
> the very final years of his life, as he’s getting towards 100 and going to
> die, thinks to himself, ‘I know, I’m going to become really close to that
> guy there, the one who plays drums in a band. He once dusted down the toes
> of an ancient Buddha sculpture for my Foundation, where he works part-time
> along with 14,000 other people who I also don’t know. I’m going to let this
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>              Forgive my somewhat negative review. I’m sure there’s lots I‘ve
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